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Bars hope smoking ban brings back customers
By John Wright News Editor
Apr 9, 2009 - 6:57:03 PM
New Dallas ordinance set to take effect Friday
Nicky Brown says he went to gay bars in Dallas a lot more often before he moved to Los Angeles for three years and became spoiled by California’s smoke-free establishments.
Since returning to Dallas in 2005, Brown said he’s gone out only about once every three months, primarily because he can’t stand the secondhand haze.
“It gives me a smoke hangover,” said Brown, 35. “I was actually burned on the arm once — little things like that. It’s just easier not to be bothered with it. There are other places I can go to do the same thing, to socialize, where I don’t have to be bothered by that.”
Brown said he was looking forward to Friday, April 10, when Dallas’ expanded smoking ordinance was set to take effect. The ordinance will prohibit smoking in most indoor workplaces, including bars, clubs and billiard halls. Smoking will still be allowed on patios.
“I’m in a relationship, so we do more of the home-type of things, but I still enjoy seeing friends. I feel like I’ve kind of put that on the back burner for a while,”
Brown said. “I really attribute that to getting used to the nonsmoking environment in L.A. when I was there. It was sort of a rude awakening when I came back, so I think if that’s lifted, it could open up a lot more opportunities for me to go out.”
Representatives from gay and lesbian bars in Dallas say they’re hoping for a boost in business from others like Brown in the wake of the smoking ban.
“I think we’re going to create a whole new clientele of people who haven’t been out to the bars for a long time,” said Michael Doughman, executive director of the Dallas Tavern Guild, an association of about 20 gay and lesbian bars citywide.
“I certainly hope that that’s true,” said Rick Espaillat, a spokesman for Caven Enterprises, which operates four gay and lesbian clubs along the Cedar Springs strip.
“I think it’s a good thing for our guests and for our staff,” Espaillat said this week of the expanded ordinance. “I know in the last week I’ve talked to a lot of people who’ve said they’re going to be coming out more often, and a lot of people who aren’t coming out who’ve said they’re going to be coming out again.”
Dallas bars and clubs may need an influx of new customers to offset an inevitable slight decline in business from hard-core smokers — like 55-year-old Randy Walker.
Walker, a smoker of 44 years, said he spends $20 five times a week during happy hour at Crews Inn, a gay bar on Fitzhugh Avenue. But Walker said with the smoking ban, he’ll go out only once or twice a week.
“I don’t smoke in my house and I don’t smoke in my car, but when I come out and drink, a bar is a bar,” Walker said from his perch at Crews Inn this week. “I can stay home and have my cocktail.”
But even Walker acknowledged that people like him will eventually grow accustomed to the smoking ban. Doughman said the immediate decline experienced by businesses in other locales with smoking bans has been “very short-lived.”
“The average length of that issue is less than a month,” Doughman said. “It dies down and people adjust. We don’t really see it as a big loss.”
Smoker Jeff Howard, 47, said he’s been going to Zippers, another gay bar on Fitzhugh Avenue, twice a week for the last 25 years. Howard said he thinks the impending ban “really sucks” and amounts to a loss of civil liberties.
But it won’t stop him from coming out. He said he’ll just go back and forth to the patio.
“It’ll make it a lot less comfortable,” Howard said. “I can see them doing that for restaurants, but bars are a different deal.”
Although customers like Walker and Howard may disagree with it, the smoking ban has long been viewed as inevitable by most bar owners. Doughman said given that the ban was widely expected to pass, the Tavern Guild and its members worked hard to ensure that an exception was carved out for patios.
Alan Pierce, treasurer of the Tavern Guild and co-owner of the Round-up Saloon, a gay bar on Cedar Springs, said some cities across the country have banned smoking on patios, too. “Patio smoking is a good compromise,” Pierce said. “By having it on the patio, they don’t have to set their drink down and go outside.”
The Roundup is among the bars that are taking advantage of the opportunity to make patio improvements. Pierce said the Roundup plans to add a second level to its patio in the back, which will offer a view of the downtown Dallas skyline.
“That’s going to be a very nice place to be,” Pierce said. “I’ll probably spend a lot of time out there. It’s a good excuse to freshen up our patio.”
Doughman said other Tavern Guild members, including Pekers on Oak Lawn Avenue and Woody’s on Cedar Springs, also are eyeing patio improvements.
“Since more people are going to be forced outside, I think they’re trying to create — where they can — a nice atmosphere,” Doughman said.
The only Tavern Guild member that doesn’t currently have a patio is Illusions, a five-year-old bar on Maple Avenue. Illusions owner Eddie Bonner previously predicted the smoking ban would put him out of business. But Bonner said this week he’s now hoping to install a small patio between the front of Illusions and the sidewalk on Maple Avenue. Illusions is also among the bars that have started selling electronic cigarettes, battery-powered devices that provide inhaled doses of nicotine without burning or putting off smoke. Electronic cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, reportedly will be allowed under the ordinance.
Still, Bonner said he expects the ban to hurt business, and he remains somewhat defiant, saying he doesn’t really plan to enforce it. Violations of the ordinance are punishable by a fine of $200, and city officials say enforcement will be driven by complaints.
Bonner said if somebody lights up in Illusions, he’ll tell them they’re not supposed to smoke. But if they refuse to put out their cigarette, “I’m not going to kick them out of the bar,” he said.
“If I get fined for somebody doing that, I’m going to pay the fine,” Bonner said. “I don’t think it’s my place to police other people.”
E-mail wright@dallasvoice.com
This article appeared in the Dallas Voice print edition April 10, 2009.
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| David McGee, office manager at the Roundup Saloon, models one of the T-shirts employees will be wearing on Friday night to mark the effective date of Dallas’ new ban on smoking in bars. JOHN WRIGHT/DallasVoice |
Since returning to Dallas in 2005, Brown said he’s gone out only about once every three months, primarily because he can’t stand the secondhand haze.
“It gives me a smoke hangover,” said Brown, 35. “I was actually burned on the arm once — little things like that. It’s just easier not to be bothered with it. There are other places I can go to do the same thing, to socialize, where I don’t have to be bothered by that.”
Brown said he was looking forward to Friday, April 10, when Dallas’ expanded smoking ordinance was set to take effect. The ordinance will prohibit smoking in most indoor workplaces, including bars, clubs and billiard halls. Smoking will still be allowed on patios.
“I’m in a relationship, so we do more of the home-type of things, but I still enjoy seeing friends. I feel like I’ve kind of put that on the back burner for a while,”
Brown said. “I really attribute that to getting used to the nonsmoking environment in L.A. when I was there. It was sort of a rude awakening when I came back, so I think if that’s lifted, it could open up a lot more opportunities for me to go out.”
Representatives from gay and lesbian bars in Dallas say they’re hoping for a boost in business from others like Brown in the wake of the smoking ban.
“I think we’re going to create a whole new clientele of people who haven’t been out to the bars for a long time,” said Michael Doughman, executive director of the Dallas Tavern Guild, an association of about 20 gay and lesbian bars citywide.
“I certainly hope that that’s true,” said Rick Espaillat, a spokesman for Caven Enterprises, which operates four gay and lesbian clubs along the Cedar Springs strip.
“I think it’s a good thing for our guests and for our staff,” Espaillat said this week of the expanded ordinance. “I know in the last week I’ve talked to a lot of people who’ve said they’re going to be coming out more often, and a lot of people who aren’t coming out who’ve said they’re going to be coming out again.”
Dallas bars and clubs may need an influx of new customers to offset an inevitable slight decline in business from hard-core smokers — like 55-year-old Randy Walker.
Walker, a smoker of 44 years, said he spends $20 five times a week during happy hour at Crews Inn, a gay bar on Fitzhugh Avenue. But Walker said with the smoking ban, he’ll go out only once or twice a week.
“I don’t smoke in my house and I don’t smoke in my car, but when I come out and drink, a bar is a bar,” Walker said from his perch at Crews Inn this week. “I can stay home and have my cocktail.”
But even Walker acknowledged that people like him will eventually grow accustomed to the smoking ban. Doughman said the immediate decline experienced by businesses in other locales with smoking bans has been “very short-lived.”
“The average length of that issue is less than a month,” Doughman said. “It dies down and people adjust. We don’t really see it as a big loss.”
Smoker Jeff Howard, 47, said he’s been going to Zippers, another gay bar on Fitzhugh Avenue, twice a week for the last 25 years. Howard said he thinks the impending ban “really sucks” and amounts to a loss of civil liberties.
But it won’t stop him from coming out. He said he’ll just go back and forth to the patio.
“It’ll make it a lot less comfortable,” Howard said. “I can see them doing that for restaurants, but bars are a different deal.”
Although customers like Walker and Howard may disagree with it, the smoking ban has long been viewed as inevitable by most bar owners. Doughman said given that the ban was widely expected to pass, the Tavern Guild and its members worked hard to ensure that an exception was carved out for patios.
Alan Pierce, treasurer of the Tavern Guild and co-owner of the Round-up Saloon, a gay bar on Cedar Springs, said some cities across the country have banned smoking on patios, too. “Patio smoking is a good compromise,” Pierce said. “By having it on the patio, they don’t have to set their drink down and go outside.”
The Roundup is among the bars that are taking advantage of the opportunity to make patio improvements. Pierce said the Roundup plans to add a second level to its patio in the back, which will offer a view of the downtown Dallas skyline.
“That’s going to be a very nice place to be,” Pierce said. “I’ll probably spend a lot of time out there. It’s a good excuse to freshen up our patio.”
Doughman said other Tavern Guild members, including Pekers on Oak Lawn Avenue and Woody’s on Cedar Springs, also are eyeing patio improvements.
“Since more people are going to be forced outside, I think they’re trying to create — where they can — a nice atmosphere,” Doughman said.
The only Tavern Guild member that doesn’t currently have a patio is Illusions, a five-year-old bar on Maple Avenue. Illusions owner Eddie Bonner previously predicted the smoking ban would put him out of business. But Bonner said this week he’s now hoping to install a small patio between the front of Illusions and the sidewalk on Maple Avenue. Illusions is also among the bars that have started selling electronic cigarettes, battery-powered devices that provide inhaled doses of nicotine without burning or putting off smoke. Electronic cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, reportedly will be allowed under the ordinance.
Still, Bonner said he expects the ban to hurt business, and he remains somewhat defiant, saying he doesn’t really plan to enforce it. Violations of the ordinance are punishable by a fine of $200, and city officials say enforcement will be driven by complaints.
Bonner said if somebody lights up in Illusions, he’ll tell them they’re not supposed to smoke. But if they refuse to put out their cigarette, “I’m not going to kick them out of the bar,” he said.
“If I get fined for somebody doing that, I’m going to pay the fine,” Bonner said. “I don’t think it’s my place to police other people.”
E-mail wright@dallasvoice.com
This article appeared in the Dallas Voice print edition April 10, 2009.
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Bob
Apr 09, 2009 at 20:32
Apr 09, 2009 at 20:32
After over a year of experience here in Chicago, now that the fanfare has
worn off and the lobbyists have moved on to other states, it's clearly
obvious that trying to ban smoking in small neighborhood "shot and beer"
bars is pretty useless. Many small bars in my area ignore the ban to keep
their customers, neighbors, and local police (many are patrons when off
duty) satisfied. In areas where real crime is an issue, the problem of
undesirables being attracted by groups of people outside the bars and
causing disturbances on the PUBLIC street, property that the owner has no
control over, far outweighs the issue of people peacefully smoking inside a
bar, bothering absolutly no one, All of the complaints are from neighbors
of bars that comply. It's fading into history in many small neighborhood
bars. The only places it becomes an issue seems to be in rural areas where
local police have little to do except visit local bars and monitor their
parking lots.
Pete
Apr 09, 2009 at 23:21
Apr 09, 2009 at 23:21
Gee Bob, I don't know how many times I've seen the same word for word post
plastered on other web sites. Please be a little more original and change a
few words, maybe even the name of the city.
Bob
Apr 10, 2009 at 00:22
Apr 10, 2009 at 00:22
Like the lobbyist behind these bans, I'm just following them around the
country as they spread their same redundantr BS.
GreggsTravel
Apr 10, 2009 at 09:58
Apr 10, 2009 at 09:58
Enforcement will the issue as it is based on call by call basis. At
first we are likely to see rabid anti-smokers dialing away on the
Blackberry's. I for one won't be visiting as much, have seen those crappy
patios in the alleyways that we will be forced to???
Tim
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:23
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:23
Stallin would stand up and clap for you. It is a beautiful thing when a
freedom is taken away at the federal level just to apease the socialist
masses. Why should this restriction be made when it could adversly affect
the buisness owners who cater to smokers. This restriction should be made
by the buisness owners themselves to allow for capitolistic synergy. Our
economy in Texas is and has been doing bettter than California; aligning
our ideals (that have monitary impacy) with this state will have negative
impacts. Open your eyes people and stop giving up rights; or if you
rather, burn the bill of rights and let the masses make your decisions for
you.
Tony Daniels
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:45
Apr 10, 2009 at 10:45
Freedom?
What about the freedom of those who do NOT smoke that, for hears, have had no clean air to breathe when we go out? You're not being told "you can never smoke AGAIN", you're being told, "take it outside. Most find the smoke disgusting."
What about the freedom of those who do NOT smoke that, for hears, have had no clean air to breathe when we go out? You're not being told "you can never smoke AGAIN", you're being told, "take it outside. Most find the smoke disgusting."
Tisha
Apr 10, 2009 at 11:50
Apr 10, 2009 at 11:50
I am a smoker and I cannot wait for the ban. As odd as it sound, I can't
stand the smell of smoke and I'm tired of smelling like smoke when I leave
the bars. At first, I thought any ban would be an inconvenience to me but
two things happened. One, I have a friend that can't go out anymore b/c he
has COPD and the smoke-filled bars makes it hard for him to breathe. Two,
I vacationed in San Francisco last summer and I got a preliminary taste of
what the ban feels like and most of the bars in Castro do not have patios.
So, I had to make my why way through the crowds and stand on the street
like everyone else and it wasn't that bad. If you can't walk your ass to a
patio or sidewalk to smoke then that's just plain lazy.
ByeByeCoffinNails
Apr 10, 2009 at 12:23
Apr 10, 2009 at 12:23
Smoking for 44 years and in the bars 5 times a week? Perhaps it's time to
find a new hobby.
dsmith
Apr 10, 2009 at 15:05
Apr 10, 2009 at 15:05
Um - didn't Caven try to FIGHT the smoking ordinance? NOW you're saying
they think it's gonna be a good thing?!?!
What kind of PR article is this?
What kind of PR article is this?
BobbyBooBooBear
Apr 10, 2009 at 15:25
Apr 10, 2009 at 15:25
This is a good thing. I may even go out tonight since I will not have to
breath second hand smoke. But I don't want any closet smokers hitting up
on me cause I don't want to lick no damn ashtray breaths.
mike
Apr 10, 2009 at 16:23
Apr 10, 2009 at 16:23
I'm glad the ban is here. I'm tired of the crying for the smokers. You not
only affect yourself with the smoking but others around you who don't want
or need to breathe in your disgusting second hand smoke. If the bar has a
patio ,use it and shut up. Most people detest smoking in bars - I do as it
burns my eyes, makes my clothes stink, makes me cough and it's just awful.
GavinMcSmokeyJoe
Apr 10, 2009 at 17:28
Apr 10, 2009 at 17:28
I am a smoker and I enjoy having a cigarette with a nice glass of wine at
the end of the day. I smoke on my patio at home, so, I guess I will have
to smoke at a bar patio now. The only thing that I don't like is sitting
with a group of losers that everyone points at and is very critical about.
Smoke Monkeys at the zoo (bar patio). I think the bars will see sales go
down and then they will all close because of you bleeding heart smoke
haters. Why be a hater you skanks?
JasonMcMuscle
Apr 10, 2009 at 17:36
Apr 10, 2009 at 17:36
I agree with smokey joe. I like to have a cig here and again with my brew.
Screw you if you can't take partying with real men. The bars will lose
business.
BillCPA
Apr 10, 2009 at 17:45
Apr 10, 2009 at 17:45
Amen to that men. Whats the big deal with partying like real men. Smoke,
Drink, Fuck ... the world is way to conservative. The bars will lose money
Bill W
Apr 10, 2009 at 19:04
Apr 10, 2009 at 19:04
I for one am happy about the ban, I smoked fory years when I 2was in the
military. I quet over 20 years ago and i don't miss it. I got tired of
the secon hand smoke at the bars and haven't been ther for quite a few
months, now maybe I will return. When I can finally breath smoleless air.
whoknows
Apr 10, 2009 at 19:27
Apr 10, 2009 at 19:27
you smokers are far from real men. You are needy people in need of
addiction counseling which equals high maintenance.
Trs
Apr 11, 2009 at 03:48
Apr 11, 2009 at 03:48
Just another reason to make going to a bar less appealing!! First, it was
operation DWI, and now they are banning cigarette smoking in a bar!! I
understand the smoking ban in social sports bar places; (i.e. Applebees)
but to ban smoking from good old fashioned honky tonk bars is obsurd!! So,
I go to the grocery store now to buy my liquer; (Which I save a bundle
doing instead of buying drinks at a bar) and bring it home where I can
smoke and drink to my heart's content!! These stupid politicians need to
get their brown noses out of the average joes business and start working on
what's really important in our country!! (Like immigration reform,
protecting us from dangerous terrorist, and tax reform!!)
Bill W
Apr 11, 2009 at 07:50
Apr 11, 2009 at 07:50
Anybody that has smoked and quit know the advantage of smokless bars and
restur5ants. Thos whoe still smoke just think of themselves and nothing
else. This world is made up from a lot of different people and there are
probably more no smokers than smokers.
Bill D
Apr 11, 2009 at 09:31
Apr 11, 2009 at 09:31
I go to the bars to socialize, for as many people have commented above, it
is cheaper to drink at home. It is the friends, fun, music and
possibilities that have me hit the clubs. I suspect it is true of most of
us. I welcome not being assaulted by someone else's smoke and am glad for
the ban. I sorry that the smokers seem to care only about their "freedoms"
and think it sad that they would rather sit home alone and smoke on their
patio instead of socializing with the rest of us in a smoke-free bar. It
may be time to rethink the priority - socializing or a cigarette?
PTT
Apr 11, 2009 at 11:59
Apr 11, 2009 at 11:59
If the banning of indoor smoking is an invasion of civil liberties, maybe
you future emphysema patients should riot, just pausing long enough to take
another drag. Like real men. Whatever. Smoking is the one reason I
haven't gone out in years. I rejoice at the ordinance. It's about time
Dallas caught up with the West coast. I can't think of a less intelligent
waste of money and one's health than smoking. Well, maybe heroin. It's
2009, Baby! Suck on that.
Bill W
Apr 11, 2009 at 12:55
Apr 11, 2009 at 12:55
One of the reasons I quit going to the bars was the smoke. I got tired oh
coming home reaking from stale cigerette smoke. That and breathing all the
second hand smoke. I am glad that Dallas finally caught up with idea. I
have a feeling that there are more people that are happy about the new law
that there are complaining.
tom patterson
Apr 13, 2009 at 12:28
Apr 13, 2009 at 12:28
I smoke but do not drink so I never go to the bars but now that all the cry
babies feel like they can now breath, lets hope they start doing
breathalizer test when you walk out the door and stop you from driving.
They need to inforce that law harder.
Michael
Apr 13, 2009 at 18:29
Apr 13, 2009 at 18:29
There was time I can recall where people smoked, and as people
should...they went on with their lives. I was a kid in N.Y.C. then, and we
smoked in the balcony of the movie theaters - and even had a smoking car on
the Long Island Railroad.
Somewhere along the way - just as here in Dallas. The hoyty-toyty members of society (the ones with money), who think their excrement is less malodorous than the next guys, and who desire to live in a Utopian society - decided to complain to the state & local decision makers that had been (presumptuously, and without sufficient opposition), dictating to people, as to how their lawns needed to be kept and what colors they could paint their homes. These decision makers were already modeling their conduct after our intrusive government, and the lack of opposition to their earlier impositions into peoples lives, was for them, a perceived consent of sorts; and as with most people...give them an arm, and they'll take a leg.
Just who do these people think they are? To that, I've no answer; but I speculate however, based upon what I've seen...That these self righteous fat cats, who've forgotten that they work for US, are more concerned with pacifying the intolerant in an effort to justify their bloated salaries and make it appear as though they're actually doing something, as opposed to growing some balls and getting their hands dirty in some weightier matters.
If you happen to be one of the aforementioned who is reading this...Stay away from anything that violates peoples liberties; unless of course, what they do endangers others; e.g. driving drunk. Don't even try to pretend that it's a health issue that you're concerned with, when we have an economy is that is actually killing people; yet you've no quams about sqeezing every cent from their pockets that you can, for things over which many, given the vote, wouldn't consent to.
You want to make yourself useful? Ensure the police are able to justifiably cite the bass thumpers; those annoying individuals with window shattering bass emanating from their car stereos, who out of an attention seeking complex, could care less about who's right to reasonable peace they violate.
Of course, while this is an issue that you are aware of, and could probably care less about, because the police in the ritzy areas you occupy would address it...You wouldn't want to do anything that leaves you open to allegations of targeting any race of people; even if you have no problem targeting in this case, the smokers - that in doing so, improves your own position and political ambitions.
Somewhere along the way - just as here in Dallas. The hoyty-toyty members of society (the ones with money), who think their excrement is less malodorous than the next guys, and who desire to live in a Utopian society - decided to complain to the state & local decision makers that had been (presumptuously, and without sufficient opposition), dictating to people, as to how their lawns needed to be kept and what colors they could paint their homes. These decision makers were already modeling their conduct after our intrusive government, and the lack of opposition to their earlier impositions into peoples lives, was for them, a perceived consent of sorts; and as with most people...give them an arm, and they'll take a leg.
Just who do these people think they are? To that, I've no answer; but I speculate however, based upon what I've seen...That these self righteous fat cats, who've forgotten that they work for US, are more concerned with pacifying the intolerant in an effort to justify their bloated salaries and make it appear as though they're actually doing something, as opposed to growing some balls and getting their hands dirty in some weightier matters.
If you happen to be one of the aforementioned who is reading this...Stay away from anything that violates peoples liberties; unless of course, what they do endangers others; e.g. driving drunk. Don't even try to pretend that it's a health issue that you're concerned with, when we have an economy is that is actually killing people; yet you've no quams about sqeezing every cent from their pockets that you can, for things over which many, given the vote, wouldn't consent to.
You want to make yourself useful? Ensure the police are able to justifiably cite the bass thumpers; those annoying individuals with window shattering bass emanating from their car stereos, who out of an attention seeking complex, could care less about who's right to reasonable peace they violate.
Of course, while this is an issue that you are aware of, and could probably care less about, because the police in the ritzy areas you occupy would address it...You wouldn't want to do anything that leaves you open to allegations of targeting any race of people; even if you have no problem targeting in this case, the smokers - that in doing so, improves your own position and political ambitions.
ByeByeCoffinNails
Apr 14, 2009 at 14:05
Apr 14, 2009 at 14:05
I can practically hear the smokers coughing up a lung as they tell us what
"real men" they are!!
Lung cancer is for real men, yea!!!
Lung cancer is for real men, yea!!!
Anthony
Apr 15, 2009 at 08:28
Apr 15, 2009 at 08:28
I agree with the ban and it is long over due. The short of the argument is
this. Smokers can still smoke outside and those of us that do not are no
longer affected by those who whish to do so. Smoking is a PRIVALEDGE not a
civil right. However, breathing clean air is a civil right when it comes to
health issues. When your privaledge infringes on my RIGHT to breath then we
have an issue! Yea for the ban!!
Scott
Apr 16, 2009 at 00:10
Apr 16, 2009 at 00:10
Wow!!!! I'm thrilled to hear about this good news... i lived in Ca for 12
yrs before moving to Dallas 16 yrs ago and have wished this day would come
!!!! I have stayed away with so many other friends due to the second hand
smoke in the Dallas bars.. let all the smokers stay at home now if they
choose to. I know many non smokers who would never kiss much less date a
smoker!
Thank you Dallas
Thank you Dallas
DrClown
Aug 09, 2009 at 00:19
Aug 09, 2009 at 00:19
I get migraines from cig. smoke. Plus I constantly worry about other health
effects.
I feel like this ban has liberated me to finally go out and have some fun.
I feel like this ban has liberated me to finally go out and have some fun.











