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News :: Texas
Last Updated: May 22, 2009 - 10:25:28 AM


Gay Dallas man murdered, dismembered


By John Wright - News Editor
Sep 11, 2008 - 9:08:18 PM
Police find digital camera containing pornographic images of jailed suspect that were taken inside victim’s apartment

Richard Hernandez
An openly gay Dallas man was murdered and dismembered inside his apartment on or before Sept. 4, according to police, and the jailed suspect’s father speculated that his son was involved in prostitution.

However, one longtime friend of the victim maintained it wouldn’t have been like 38-year-old Richard Hernandez to solicit sex, while another warned against jumping to conclusions.

Hernandez is presumed dead after Dallas police discovered a gruesome murder scene inside his apartment at 3939 Rosemeade Parkway in Far North Dallas, according to an arrest warrant. As of Thursday, Sept. 11, Hernandez’s remains had yet to be found.

Purchases made on Hernandez’s debit card led police to the suspect, 29-year-old Seth Lawton Winder, who’s now in Dallas County jail charged with capital murder.

Police reportedly found pornographic images of Winder that had been taken inside Hernandez’s apartment, the warrant states. The images were on a digital camera that was recovered from a garage at the home of Winder’s father.

But Winder’s father said he doesn’t think his son is gay.

“To my knowledge, Seth wasn’t that way,” Rodney Winder said. “I’m pretty sure he was probably prostituting himself just because he was homeless. If he’s gay I don’t know it. I’m sure that he was probably just trying to survive, being homeless like he was. Plus he’s mentally ill.”

Rudy Araiza, Hernandez’s close friend of 22 years, said he’d never met Seth Winder and is unsure how Hernandez knew him.

“I don’t think Richard got his excitement by paying someone for it [sex],” Araiza said. “It’s not Richard’s character.”

Araiza, who’s also gay, said Hernandez typically would never allow strangers inside his apartment. Araiza said it’s possible Hernandez was trying to help Winder.

“As far as what transpired or what happened, I have no clue,” said Araiza, who lives in Arlington. “I could speculate a lot of things, but I really don’t know.”

Another friend of Hernandez’s, who asked not to be identified, said the two likely knew each other because they once worked together, or because Winder once lived in Hernandez’s apartment complex.

“Don’t jump to conclusions and say that they were doing drugs or it was as one-night stand,” said the woman, adding that she’s known Hernandez for four years. “All we know is what they’re telling us. All we know is he’s missing and they have reason to believe he’s not on this Earth anymore.”

Dallas Police Detective D.A. Thompson, who’s investigating the case, declined comment.

According to the capital murder warrant for Winder, police were called after Hernandez didn’t show up for his job at Wal-Mart, where he’d worked for eight years, on the morning of Sept. 4.

“It wasn’t the norm for Richard to just not show up for work,” Araiza said.

When police went to Hernandez’s apartment to investigate, they found large amounts of blood on the floor, walls and couch of the living room, according to the warrant. They also found what is believed to be tissue from the victim’s internal organs in the bathtub, which “appeared to have been used to dismember the victim’s body.”

Seth Lawton Winder
The same day, purchases were made using Hernandez’s debit card at a Starbucks and a Target in Plano, the warrant states. Police obtained surveillance video of one of the transactions and showed still frames to the manager of Hernandez’s apartment complex.

The manager recognized the man in the video as Winder, who had previously lived in the complex, according to the warrant. The manager also told police she’d seen Winder at the complex on both Sept. 3 and Sept. 4.

Police obtained a warrant for Winder’s arrest on a charge of debit card abuse on Sept. 6, and they learned that he was camping in a wooded area of Carrollton.

On Sept. 7, police found a bloody backpack in a garbage can near Winder’s campsite. The backpack contained items belonging to Hernandez and Winder.

Detectives then went to the home of Winder’s father in The Colony. Winder’s father told police his son was homeless and had stopped by Sept. 5 to store items in the garage, where the digital camera was recovered.

Rodney Winder told police that he’d loaned his son a tent and that he was camping somewhere in The Colony. Police located the campsite, which Winder had abandoned. Inside the tent, they found a sword and other items from the victim’s apartment with large amounts of blood on them.

Winder was arrested Monday, Sept. 8, and police obtained the capital murder warrant Tuesday. As of Thursday, Sept. 11, Winder’s total bail amount was $760,504, according to Dallas County online records.

Rodney Winder told Dallas Voice that his son had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Seth Winder tried to strangle his mother in 2005, his father said.

Rodney Winder said he repeatedly tried to get help for his son, whom he kicked out of the house a few years ago because his behavior was getting worse.

“The problem is that by the time he became mentally ill, he was an adult, and for you to be able to do anything for a person, they have to give their consent,” Rodney Winder said. “I would tell law enforcement every time. It’s well documented. They have the same problem. They say, ‘Well, he’s an adult, we can’t do anything unless he hurts himself or hurts somebody else.’ Since Seth was unwilling to go to a shelter or take medication or get himself signed up with the MHMR [Texas Department of Mental Health and Mental Retardation] there was nothing anybody could do. You can’t take a person and forcibly stick him some place.”

Rodney Winder said although he doesn’t believe his son was gay, he also doesn’t think Seth harbored any animosity or anger toward LGBT people.

“Seth has a real easygoing disposition,” Rodney Winder said. “It’s hard to talk to him because of his mental illness … but he’s real easygoing, he’s real caring. He’s just a real nice kid except when he has an episode, when he has a psychotic break, you just don’t know what he’ll do. That’s the reason I removed him from my home.”

Hernandez’s friends described him as a kind, generous person.

“Rich was probably one of the most sincere, sweet people you will ever meet,” said the woman who asked not to be identified. “Rich always had a smile and would drop anything to help anybody, and it’s very, very sad what happened to him. It’s a very gruesome, horrible thing that happen to someone so sweet and so generous.”

Araiza said he met Hernandez in their hometown of Lubbock in 1986. Hernandez moved to the Dallas area in 1994, and Araiza followed a short time later. Araiza said Hernandez’s family, including his mother and sister, remain in Lubbock.

“Twenty-two years later, it was more like a brotherhood that we had,” Araiza said.

Araiza said although Hernandez was openly gay, he didn’t flaunt it and mostly kept to himself. The two friends would sometimes go out together to the clubs on Cedar Springs Road on weekends, Araiza said.

“He was like my hangout buddy,” Araiza said. “We went out just to have fun.”

Araiza said although he’s accepted the fact that his friend is dead, he lacks closure.

“There still isn’t a body, and we want to know where he’s at,” Araiza said.

E-mail wright@dallasvoice.com

This article appeared in the Dallas Voice print edition September 12, 2008.




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COMMENTS
The following comments were posted by readers and were not edited by Dallas Voice. When you comment, stay on topic and treat others with respect. Posts deemed offensive will be removed.
Julia Ramirez
Apr 17, 2009 at 22:50
I feel sorry for Seth, he is such a waste of space.
andrew hansen
May 16, 2009 at 10:59
Your an idiot Julia Ramirez, do you feel no compassion towards those with mental disabilities. Seth was truely a very kinda hearted man, i've known him for years, and as far as i know, he would never even hurt a fly, much less murder and dismember somebody. Seth was a lover, not and an angry person with hostility towards anybody. You, and everybody else with the lack of compassion, you are the ones i feel sorry for, what's it like to live life inside that empty shell you call heart, you disgust me.
Bry
Jun 22, 2009 at 21:58
Hansen i can understand the defense you have for your friend. But I've known rich for 23 years and he has SO MUCH MORE SOUL THAN SETH WOULD EVER HAVE. Rich was god rest his soul the most compassionate soul you would have ever meant and only evil would do what was done to him.
Bry
Jun 22, 2009 at 22:00
Rich was beautiful so much more than you will ever know. He will be missed! I do not lack compassion!
Shona Muir
Jul 24, 2009 at 05:15
It really angers me when mental health problems are blamed. His father explained on 'First 48' that his son was on meth. This is most likely the real reason why he committed the crime, if he did. He also tried to strangle his mother previously. More support and better care needs to be given to the mentally ill so that they don't turn to illegal drugs. Schizophrenic patients are generally not violent it's mixing drugs and illegal substances that make them violent.

As for Julia. I feel sorry for you. Anyone who has no compassion for the ill are wastes of space.
Walker
Jul 30, 2009 at 20:07
what a deadbeat loser hope he gets the chair
andrew hansen
Aug 02, 2009 at 23:07
Too bad all your dreams didn't come true to all of you selfish and non-compassionate people out there. Seth winder is now in a mental hospital. And i wonder why.. oh yah, because he DOES have a mental illness. And just a little FYI, for your comment regarding schizophrenia. You are correct, but have you heard of "Paranoid Schizophrenia," because its different then regular Schizophrenia, and without medications will most of the time result in violence, at some point or another. I'm terribly sorry about your friend richard, but you should understand, and have mercy towards mental cases too. Without death, there is no life, so get over it. It's a part of life. One way or another, it will happen, whether its from old age, or murder. I just wish humanity had a little more compassion at times, towards people who need it. What is wrong with this world. So again, sorry about that, but no chair this time.
angry
Aug 21, 2009 at 02:03
SETH WAS A METH HEAD AND A CRACKHEAD!!!! REGARDLESS OF ANY MENTAL *EXSCUSE* FACTS STILL REMAIN THAT HE MURDERED RICHARD HERNANDEZ AND STOLE HIS DEBIT CARD. HE THEN WENT FOR COFFEE AT A STARBUCKS AND SHOPPING AT A TARGET. COME ON...HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING...CRAZY OR NOT YOU KNOW THAT CUTTING SOMEONE IS BAD, THAT DISMEMBERING A MAN AND DISPOSING OF HIS PARTS IS BAD, NO AMOUNT OF CRAZY EXSCUSES THAT!!!!! HE VISCOUSLY MURDERED A GOOD MAN, A MAN WHO BEFRIENDED SETH, GAVE HIM A PLACE TO STAY, FED AND HELPED. THATS JUST PURE EVIL...SETH WINDER MAY NOT DESERVE TO DIE, BUT HE DOESNT DESERVE MUCH ELSE EITHER!!! JUST PISSES ME OFF....DEATH IS A PART OF LIFE IS WHAT THIS HANSEN GUY IS SAYING, GET OVER IT HUH....WHY DONT YOU GET OVER YOURSELF!!! JEEZE, YOUR FRIENDS A NUT JOB, OURS IS DEAD!!! YOU WIN, SO JUST SHUT UP ALREADY!!!!! RICHARD WILL BE FOREVER REMEMBERED, MISSED AND LOVED!!!! BY SO MANY!!!
chris c.
Aug 25, 2009 at 23:08
Whatever you want to say about whether this guy is mentally ill or not is not of much consequence. The fact of the matter is that he is still breathing while another man lay rotting in a landfill (allegedly). Also, I don't see any problem with keeping this guy locked in a sanatarium for the rest of his life. He is clearly a danger to society.
Angelo Brownstone
Aug 26, 2009 at 22:31
How about the poor birds? Those birds didn't do anything wrong. Were they vultures or something. Do you think the were circling the campsite because they smelled something?
Holly
Oct 13, 2009 at 03:06
First of all, people with schizophrenia more often than not are illigel drug users and their drugs of choice are typically cocaine and meth. So to simply call Seth a "meth head" is a misunderstanding. He is a parniod schizophrenic and with that drug use usually goes in hand. If you don't believe me look it up, do the research and educate yourself before you post derrogatory and inflammatory remarks about someonw who is obviously mentally ill. Correct me if I am wrong but the comments on this page that name call and ascribe incorrect labels to the mentally ill are just as offensive as many of the conotations most gay people fight against their entire lives. In order to stop bigotry it must be stopped on all levels. This is a heart-wrenching account on levels. My heart goes out to both families and I hope that this case inspires changes in the mental health system so that other families will not have to face the same heartbreak.
Richard
Oct 17, 2009 at 12:39
Why wasn't that animal locked up after trying to strangle his mother???? I don't pity seth or his family. Mental health is not an excuse for any kind of cruelty. His family should have had him hospitalized, and if they truly tried after the incident with his mother, then shame on they system.
Holly, for you to defend this animal makes me sick to my stomach! I hope seth burns in hell and I hope the guilt of his father haunts him for the rest of his life.
Holly
Oct 23, 2009 at 13:11
Richard,

For you to call him an animal shows that you have a complete inability to have empathy for anyone. He was institutionalized after the incident with his mother and then released by the state. Take the time to research the state laws and schizophrenia and maybe you'll begin to understand the predicament. It's a no win situation on either side. The disease, and yes that is precisely what it is a disease, is not very well understood by most of the general population. That is the crux of the situation, because if more people understood it then more people would support the legislation that is necessary to get these people help and would prevent further incidents such as this one. Unfortunately in Texas you cannot have an adult committed unless they pose an immediate risk to themselves or others. This most often than not means that a crime has to have already been committed or in progress. This law needs to be changed. Until it is you will continue to see these types of crimes committed. Mental health is not an excuse it's a fact. Again take the time to research the issue before you make ignorant comments. He is not an animal, he is a victim of his own disease. Most people with schzophrenia who commit brutal crimes more often than not have trouble coping with the knowledge of what they have done once they have undergone treatment and are lucid enough to understand the situation. They live the rest of their lives with regret and battling depression. How would you feel to "wake up" on day to find out you had brutally murdered someone. Put yourself in his shoes and maybe then you'll learn to have compassion and begin to work toward a solution instead of name calling which gets everyone nowhere.
Julia Ramirez
Nov 12, 2009 at 11:52
Andrew Hansen,
Safe your breath for someone who gives a damn.
kitty
Dec 29, 2009 at 00:26
I know Seth's family very well. I can tell you that they tried and tried to get help for him before this happened. The laws are messed up, and all we were ever told was that nothing could be done unless he made a threat to himself or someone else or that he acted out. Richard Hernandez was an innocent victim who tried to help. ?Fifty percent of schizophrenicws self medicate with substances to try to stop the hallucinations, delusions and voices that they hear. Their brinas are actually structually quite different than a normal person's brain with 25 percent less gray matter, especially in the frontal lobe. If you look at brain scans, you can see the obvious differences. Its horrible that his poor man lost his life and its terrible that the laws in this state and many other do not allow families to have their adult family members committed. Seth was an adult by the time these symptoms started to manifest and usually schizophrenia strikes int he late teens or early twenties for males. The Winder family is very, very sorry this happened, but believe me they tried and I did too, over and over again to get help Its really not the family's fault. There was not the money available to try to get a private committment and no one could get the staet to act. Seth would not seek help for himself and we were all told time and again that he had to seek help as an adult. Everyone is so sorry. The laws need to be changed so desperately to prevent future tragedies. One percent of the population is schizophrenic, so that is over two million people in this country. This will keep happening unless the laws are changed. Studies do show that when substance abuse is involved, schizophrenics are much more prone to violence.
Heart Broken Parent
Jan 14, 2010 at 12:34
I just saw this case while at home. I am a parents and can empathize with both parties. A loss of a life is a horrible thing, but so is dealing with a serious mental illness. I am not defending Seth, be he too was a small child. From what I gather he was not always ill. As a parent you would feel as though you lost your child once their behaviour has changed, it wouldnt feel like they were the same person. A death on the other hand, which I have experienced A LOT in my life, is the worst feeling you can have let alone not being able to find them. Especially if it is your child, even if they are a sibling or parent, or friend. Aparently, there is something wrong with the system for nothing to be done until something bad has happened. That makes me wonder, who is really to blame? These kind of things should be prevented. This is from a bias point of view (I'm not even from your country.) I am not looking to offend anyone, but I am sure I will, because its human nature to have anger and emotional reactions. I dont know either family, and I cannot possibly know what either are going through.
Tiffany
Jan 14, 2010 at 12:49
As someone who is not a friend of Seth Winders, and who never got the chance to know Richard Hernandez, I can truly say that I am confused as to how you all think. To the woman who rationalizes the murder and dismemberment of this man as "part of life" and "to just get over it", I truly feel sorry for you. Is that the kind of nonsense you would tell yourself if you ever lost a loved one to a violent crime. I doubt it. And to the man who says to "give that crackhead the electric chair", while I understand your anger, would it really do anyone any good? It won't bring Richard back, and it won't make Seth scared for his life, as he places no value on human life. If Seth is truly insane, as he does appear to be, wouldn't it be better to keep him in an institution, where he can be studied, so that they can help people with his disease, before they have done the damage that he's done. And don't you think Richards family would find solace in the fact that Seth will never know freedom again as long as he lives. I do. I just think that some of your anger is misplaced. Two families lives are changed forever. While I wish I could feel the same compassion for Seth's family as I do the Hernandez family - I don't. Richard lost his life prematurely helping someone that others would not, and Seth is locked up where he should be - I don't think anyone "wins" in this situation.
Tony
Jan 14, 2010 at 18:15
Rich is in hell now. He was a homosexual, he was a horrible sin the eyes of god. I only pray at the bottom of my heart, that in the final moments before he was killed or his final moments, he asked god for forgiveness
jay
Jan 14, 2010 at 18:21
Mental illness or not, the law must hold people accountable for their actions. The alleged suspect certainly needs help from a mental health facility, but again this does NOT recuse or absolve him from his own actions.

Children and adults can all slip thru the cracks of mental health treatment & systems. Regardless, everyone is still accountable for your actions.
judy
Jan 15, 2010 at 01:31
Tony,
i've sat here and thought of something insulting to say to you, but its not even worth it to sink down to your pathetic close mind you think is following gods path and waste my time.
We are all God's children. Richard is in a better place and Seth is .....I am sure living with his consequences because thats the law. But he does have a mental illness and its a shame people are not getting more help to prevent things like this from happening and educating society on mental health awareness..
Kitty
Jan 15, 2010 at 04:01
No one has the right to judge where someone's soul is. That is a terrible thing to say when this man's family and friends might be reading these comments or have you no considration for the feelings of other people? From the many comments from those that knew him,, he was a kind individual. I talked to him a couple of times because I shopped at the store where he worked. He was a living person with friends and family. Even the Bible says judge not lest you be judged.
Observer
Jan 15, 2010 at 17:29
I saw this case on The First 48 and googled it to find out if they ever found that poor man's body. I've never been so disgusted by a case on that show before. Mental illness or not, that guy Seth was a fucking dick, just toying with the police when they were asking where Richard's body is. To this day, they haven't found him??? Wow. RIP Richard, may your soul find rest.

By the way, the guy who said Richard's friends should just "get over it" is a disgusting sociopath. Let's release Seth to cut up one of your family members and see if you say the same thing. You talk about people having no compassion, but you're pitying the person who brutally murdered another instead of the victim of a senseless murder. Yeah, that makes sense.

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