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	<title>Comments on: Cathedral of Hope to change time slot on WFAA this month</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul T.

That&#039;s not an answer and that is NOT what it says on your website.  Your posting on a gay newspaper site doesn&#039;t count.  All of your members need to know they are still WRONG at CoH.  That&#039;s the clever marketing you&#039;ve done - have people BELIEVE gay is okay, but never change your beliefs.  Welcome and enjoy Hell.  

The UCC has &quot;Open and Affirming&quot; Churches and welcomes gays and lesbians - but it does NOT end the &quot;sin of homosexuality.&quot;  Check the United Church of Christ website.  If you are actually from CoH you know there is a fine line that Pastors walk about &quot;gay being okay,&quot; but you don&#039;t change the part of Christian Doctrine that makes homosexuality a SIN and WRONG.

Please provide the link for the formal statement from CoH and UCC that changes that part of Christianity.  4,000 paying members of your Church want to know.  It wouldn&#039;t be hard for CoH to prepare a formal statement and publish it on their website.  If you need help with the wording, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul T.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not an answer and that is NOT what it says on your website.  Your posting on a gay newspaper site doesn&#8217;t count.  All of your members need to know they are still WRONG at CoH.  That&#8217;s the clever marketing you&#8217;ve done &#8211; have people BELIEVE gay is okay, but never change your beliefs.  Welcome and enjoy Hell.  </p>
<p>The UCC has &#8220;Open and Affirming&#8221; Churches and welcomes gays and lesbians &#8211; but it does NOT end the &#8220;sin of homosexuality.&#8221;  Check the United Church of Christ website.  If you are actually from CoH you know there is a fine line that Pastors walk about &#8220;gay being okay,&#8221; but you don&#8217;t change the part of Christian Doctrine that makes homosexuality a SIN and WRONG.</p>
<p>Please provide the link for the formal statement from CoH and UCC that changes that part of Christianity.  4,000 paying members of your Church want to know.  It wouldn&#8217;t be hard for CoH to prepare a formal statement and publish it on their website.  If you need help with the wording, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rick and Brian,
Here is your written declaration: &quot;It&#039;s O.K. to be homosexual because God loves you just the way you are!&quot; You can also find more statements on our website under &quot;About Us&quot;.  I think you guys have confused us with another church -- we are a church of over 4,000 members who are mostly gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgered people. We are lucky enough to have a few heterosexual folks with us; but we are essentially the BIGGEST, GAYEST church in the nation and proud of it. And BTW, I don&#039;t know where you got that $5 million figure, but it is WRONG!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rick and Brian,<br />
Here is your written declaration: &#8220;It&#8217;s O.K. to be homosexual because God loves you just the way you are!&#8221; You can also find more statements on our website under &#8220;About Us&#8221;.  I think you guys have confused us with another church &#8212; we are a church of over 4,000 members who are mostly gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgered people. We are lucky enough to have a few heterosexual folks with us; but we are essentially the BIGGEST, GAYEST church in the nation and proud of it. And BTW, I don&#8217;t know where you got that $5 million figure, but it is WRONG!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop giving Cathedral of Hope your money.  Ask them to make a written declaration that Homosexuality is NOT a SIN and NOT WRONG.  Remind them that &quot;open and affirming,&quot; but still WRONG isn&#039;t good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop giving Cathedral of Hope your money.  Ask them to make a written declaration that Homosexuality is NOT a SIN and NOT WRONG.  Remind them that &#8220;open and affirming,&#8221; but still WRONG isn&#8217;t good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>------&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
While they â€œwelcome gaysâ€ they still make it an abomination and a major sin - they continue to make it WRONG. 
------&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

Ummm yeah.. and let&#039;s not forget that the practice of eating shellfish is an abomination too making many people in the anti-gay world serious sinners also!  

So when&#039;s the last time y&#039;all at at Red Lobster Huh??  Didja perform confession afterward?  So those who wanna use that little slogan against us queers better read their bibles real hard before voicing their opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8212;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
While they â€œwelcome gaysâ€ they still make it an abomination and a major sin &#8211; they continue to make it WRONG.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Ummm yeah.. and let&#8217;s not forget that the practice of eating shellfish is an abomination too making many people in the anti-gay world serious sinners also!  </p>
<p>So when&#8217;s the last time y&#8217;all at at Red Lobster Huh??  Didja perform confession afterward?  So those who wanna use that little slogan against us queers better read their bibles real hard before voicing their opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris:

Cathedral of Hope is part of the United Church of Christ (UCC) and as such accepts their published doctrine (their brand of Christianity).  While the Cathedral of Hope is one of UCC&#039;s &quot;Open and Affirming&quot; churches, the UCC did nothing to remove the sin or wrongness of homosexuality from their doctrine.  While they &quot;welcome gays&quot; they still make it an abomination and a major sin - they continue to make it WRONG.  

To simply &quot;welcome&quot; and &quot;affirm&quot; is different than actually changing the churches doctrine by removing the parts that make gay &quot;wrong.&quot;  I would suggest you ask the CoH to point to the place in their published beliefs where they reject the passages attributed to homosexuality.  They do have a letter written by Mark Piazza more than 30 years ago, but it does not say &quot;we have changed Christianity and no longer make homosexuality wrong.&quot;  He just cleverly talks around the subject.  That&#039;s not good enough.  Welcoming is just marketing.

HRC and GLAAD receive about $30 million per year combined and about .7% is from the DFW area - therefore about $2 million.  At a recent visit to CoH I was told they received about $5 million per year, but I cannot confirm that because their records are not public.   They did say that they gave $1 million a year to the &quot;community.&quot;  That would be about 20% of what they collect - not very good in terms of &quot;faith-based&quot; charitable standards.

I believe gay people need to DEMAND that their churches formally renounce the whole idea that Homosexuality is wrong and do it in writing.  This belief by Christians (and other religions) has caused all of the pain and hatred suffered by the gay community.

It&#039;s about time we fought the &quot;beliefs&quot; and not just the believers.

I&#039;m not wrong.  Gay is not wrong.  Is your Church wrong? Ask them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris:</p>
<p>Cathedral of Hope is part of the United Church of Christ (UCC) and as such accepts their published doctrine (their brand of Christianity).  While the Cathedral of Hope is one of UCC&#8217;s &#8220;Open and Affirming&#8221; churches, the UCC did nothing to remove the sin or wrongness of homosexuality from their doctrine.  While they &#8220;welcome gays&#8221; they still make it an abomination and a major sin &#8211; they continue to make it WRONG.  </p>
<p>To simply &#8220;welcome&#8221; and &#8220;affirm&#8221; is different than actually changing the churches doctrine by removing the parts that make gay &#8220;wrong.&#8221;  I would suggest you ask the CoH to point to the place in their published beliefs where they reject the passages attributed to homosexuality.  They do have a letter written by Mark Piazza more than 30 years ago, but it does not say &#8220;we have changed Christianity and no longer make homosexuality wrong.&#8221;  He just cleverly talks around the subject.  That&#8217;s not good enough.  Welcoming is just marketing.</p>
<p>HRC and GLAAD receive about $30 million per year combined and about .7% is from the DFW area &#8211; therefore about $2 million.  At a recent visit to CoH I was told they received about $5 million per year, but I cannot confirm that because their records are not public.   They did say that they gave $1 million a year to the &#8220;community.&#8221;  That would be about 20% of what they collect &#8211; not very good in terms of &#8220;faith-based&#8221; charitable standards.</p>
<p>I believe gay people need to DEMAND that their churches formally renounce the whole idea that Homosexuality is wrong and do it in writing.  This belief by Christians (and other religions) has caused all of the pain and hatred suffered by the gay community.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time we fought the &#8220;beliefs&#8221; and not just the believers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not wrong.  Gay is not wrong.  Is your Church wrong? Ask them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get the point of your message Brian, though I believe your fundraising totals for CoH, HRC and GLAAD are incorrect. Can you give more specific info on the $5 and $2 million statements?

And, please revisit your statement, &quot;CoH is a religious organization that still makes gay WRONG?&quot; I know the pastoral staff and mission of CoH to be a 40 year community of faith with a liberal theology and a predominately GLBT congregation. The premise of &quot;wrong&quot; isn&#039;t part of the church&#039;s ministry or core values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the point of your message Brian, though I believe your fundraising totals for CoH, HRC and GLAAD are incorrect. Can you give more specific info on the $5 and $2 million statements?</p>
<p>And, please revisit your statement, &#8220;CoH is a religious organization that still makes gay WRONG?&#8221; I know the pastoral staff and mission of CoH to be a 40 year community of faith with a liberal theology and a predominately GLBT congregation. The premise of &#8220;wrong&#8221; isn&#8217;t part of the church&#8217;s ministry or core values.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Promoting the Cathedral of Hope again?  How strange.

Gays in Dallas give the CoH more than $5 million per year.  
HRC and GLAAD get about $2 million per year.  
Queer Liberaction only gets about $500 per year.

Doesn&#039;t this sound backwards? Especially considering that CoH is a religious organization that still makes gay WRONG?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promoting the Cathedral of Hope again?  How strange.</p>
<p>Gays in Dallas give the CoH more than $5 million per year.<br />
HRC and GLAAD get about $2 million per year.<br />
Queer Liberaction only gets about $500 per year.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this sound backwards? Especially considering that CoH is a religious organization that still makes gay WRONG?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed at the number of people who still take CoH so seriously.  They can be so silly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed at the number of people who still take CoH so seriously.  They can be so silly!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please help me with the math here ...

30 min. broadcast slot/ Spent 
26 weeks x $7,500 = $195,000 or approximately $25 per viewer each Sunday.

Budgeted thru 12/31/09
26 weeks x 1,000 = $26,000 or $4.48 per viewer

One year&#039;s broadcast expense  $221,000      

I wish I had a fraction of those dollars in my marketing/communications budget when I worked at CoH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please help me with the math here &#8230;</p>
<p>30 min. broadcast slot/ Spent<br />
26 weeks x $7,500 = $195,000 or approximately $25 per viewer each Sunday.</p>
<p>Budgeted thru 12/31/09<br />
26 weeks x 1,000 = $26,000 or $4.48 per viewer</p>
<p>One year&#8217;s broadcast expense  $221,000      </p>
<p>I wish I had a fraction of those dollars in my marketing/communications budget when I worked at CoH.</p>
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