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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/11/06/tell-me-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-16737</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t disagree, except for this: It only appears that people will not &quot;change their beliefs&quot; because we only focus on the hard-core, literal Christians - Baptists, Mormons, etc.  The truth is up to two-thirds of those that self-describe themselves as &quot;religious&quot; are willing to support equality.  They would support us, but we haven&#039;t asked them.

Julian Bond (above) had the same religious experience that many Blacks did.  We don&#039;t have to bang are heads against the wall by trying to persuade the &quot;literal&quot; or conservative Christians.  In fact, I think it&#039;s best to simply ignore them.  The majority will marginalize them.  It&#039;s already happening. (SEE Lutherans and Episcopalians).

The divide we need to create is whether or not our fellow citizens will put equality before religion.  The majority will, but that&#039;s not something we are engaged in.  Instead, we have focused our aim (and attention) on the ones that will never change.  So, we&#039;re yelling at the wrong crowd.  We need to stop yelling and start talking.  We need to talk to the ones that understand our Country was founded on the principle of equality - not Faith.

It&#039;s a lot easier to sit by and watch or wait.  If we want to create equality, we&#039;ll have to speak up, stand up and go all-out - our fellow citizens will join us.  We just need to ask for their help. We need &quot;ask&quot; the right ones, too.

While it sucks to have some Christians loudly demean us, we need to turn the volume down on that crowd and create the bigger army - the army that supports equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t disagree, except for this: It only appears that people will not &#8220;change their beliefs&#8221; because we only focus on the hard-core, literal Christians &#8211; Baptists, Mormons, etc.  The truth is up to two-thirds of those that self-describe themselves as &#8220;religious&#8221; are willing to support equality.  They would support us, but we haven&#8217;t asked them.</p>
<p>Julian Bond (above) had the same religious experience that many Blacks did.  We don&#8217;t have to bang are heads against the wall by trying to persuade the &#8220;literal&#8221; or conservative Christians.  In fact, I think it&#8217;s best to simply ignore them.  The majority will marginalize them.  It&#8217;s already happening. (SEE Lutherans and Episcopalians).</p>
<p>The divide we need to create is whether or not our fellow citizens will put equality before religion.  The majority will, but that&#8217;s not something we are engaged in.  Instead, we have focused our aim (and attention) on the ones that will never change.  So, we&#8217;re yelling at the wrong crowd.  We need to stop yelling and start talking.  We need to talk to the ones that understand our Country was founded on the principle of equality &#8211; not Faith.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot easier to sit by and watch or wait.  If we want to create equality, we&#8217;ll have to speak up, stand up and go all-out &#8211; our fellow citizens will join us.  We just need to ask for their help. We need &#8220;ask&#8221; the right ones, too.</p>
<p>While it sucks to have some Christians loudly demean us, we need to turn the volume down on that crowd and create the bigger army &#8211; the army that supports equality.</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
		<link>http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/11/06/tell-me-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-16694</link>
		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew:  What part of &quot;religious distain&quot;  was not clear?  It sounds like we agree, instead of disagreeing.    Asking someone to change their religious beliefs is a pipe-dream.  They have been indoctrinated for decades.  Few people will sway from what their pastor screams from the pulpit each Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew:  What part of &#8220;religious distain&#8221;  was not clear?  It sounds like we agree, instead of disagreeing.    Asking someone to change their religious beliefs is a pipe-dream.  They have been indoctrinated for decades.  Few people will sway from what their pastor screams from the pulpit each Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/11/06/tell-me-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-16685</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AA:

I have to disagree.  Many Blacks do have a problem with homosexuals.  They got the &quot;belief&quot; that we&#039;re wrong, sinful and deviant - from religion.  Yes, they have the experience of their civil rights struggle, but there real problem is what religion taught them.

Now, we&#039;re not supposed to talk about this taboo - religion, but sooner or later we must.  Conversation is the cure.  Some are immovable, but the majority are not.  We need to talk to them and ask for their help.  The majority will support equality, even before their personal religious/spiritual beliefs.

Our Community is (mostly) colorblind - it&#039;s more about beliefs.  That is all that separates us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AA:</p>
<p>I have to disagree.  Many Blacks do have a problem with homosexuals.  They got the &#8220;belief&#8221; that we&#8217;re wrong, sinful and deviant &#8211; from religion.  Yes, they have the experience of their civil rights struggle, but there real problem is what religion taught them.</p>
<p>Now, we&#8217;re not supposed to talk about this taboo &#8211; religion, but sooner or later we must.  Conversation is the cure.  Some are immovable, but the majority are not.  We need to talk to them and ask for their help.  The majority will support equality, even before their personal religious/spiritual beliefs.</p>
<p>Our Community is (mostly) colorblind &#8211; it&#8217;s more about beliefs.  That is all that separates us.</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
		<link>http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/11/06/tell-me-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-16674</link>
		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sad that the majority of Blacks don&#039;t support Gay rights.  I know there are a few notable exceptions, but the majority seems to think they have gotten their civil rights and have a religious distain for Gays getting our rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad that the majority of Blacks don&#8217;t support Gay rights.  I know there are a few notable exceptions, but the majority seems to think they have gotten their civil rights and have a religious distain for Gays getting our rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regretfully disagree with Tammye&#039;s initial differentiation that GLBT vs. Black rights are different because we can &quot;blend&quot;. As other commenters and Tammye noted, some can hide it but MANY can&#039;t. Likewise, some commenters acknowledge that some portion of blacks were able to pass as whites. Although most GLBT&#039;s haven&#039;t suffered lives of slavery, I think all those unable to hide were marginalized and abused physically and mentally. Personally, I was raped as a male child by a neighbor boy who saw me as effeminate. Where was my equality? I was so ashamed, I couldn&#039;t even tell my parents.

It isn&#039;t a fight for &quot;gay rights&quot;, it is only furthering rights to be ourselves without being discriminated against. Because of that, I am compelled to recognize the similarity of the &quot;fight&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regretfully disagree with Tammye&#8217;s initial differentiation that GLBT vs. Black rights are different because we can &#8220;blend&#8221;. As other commenters and Tammye noted, some can hide it but MANY can&#8217;t. Likewise, some commenters acknowledge that some portion of blacks were able to pass as whites. Although most GLBT&#8217;s haven&#8217;t suffered lives of slavery, I think all those unable to hide were marginalized and abused physically and mentally. Personally, I was raped as a male child by a neighbor boy who saw me as effeminate. Where was my equality? I was so ashamed, I couldn&#8217;t even tell my parents.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a fight for &#8220;gay rights&#8221;, it is only furthering rights to be ourselves without being discriminated against. Because of that, I am compelled to recognize the similarity of the &#8220;fight&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlin Bynum</title>
		<link>http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/11/06/tell-me-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-16621</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlin Bynum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch Julian Bond NAACP Chairman at the National Equality March:

Gay rights are civil rights

and 

Black people of all people should not oppose equality

http://thenewliberator.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/national-equality-march-rally-julian-bond-chairman-naacp/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch Julian Bond NAACP Chairman at the National Equality March:</p>
<p>Gay rights are civil rights</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>Black people of all people should not oppose equality</p>
<p><a href="http://thenewliberator.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/national-equality-march-rally-julian-bond-chairman-naacp/" rel="nofollow">http://thenewliberator.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/national-equality-march-rally-julian-bond-chairman-naacp/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/11/06/tell-me-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-16530</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mike Lo Vuolo.  I&#039;ve heard and read that before, but it can never be repeated to much.  I miss dear Mrs. King.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mike Lo Vuolo.  I&#8217;ve heard and read that before, but it can never be repeated to much.  I miss dear Mrs. King.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lo Vuolo</title>
		<link>http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/11/06/tell-me-what-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-16528</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lo Vuolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a QUOTE from Caretta Scot King, Wife of Martin Luther King Jr.

“Like Martin, I don’t believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others&quot;, she would tell black civil rights leaders angered by gays and lesbians comparing their struggle to their own. She would quote her husband and say, “I have worked too long and hard against segregated public accommodations to end up segregating my moral concern. Justice is indivisible.&quot; 

&quot;I appeal to everybody who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brother and sisterhood for lesbians and gay people.&quot; 

&quot;Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union. A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages.&quot;

&quot;For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people, Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement,&quot; she said. &quot;Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a QUOTE from Caretta Scot King, Wife of Martin Luther King Jr.</p>
<p>“Like Martin, I don’t believe you can stand for freedom for one group of people and deny it to others&#8221;, she would tell black civil rights leaders angered by gays and lesbians comparing their struggle to their own. She would quote her husband and say, “I have worked too long and hard against segregated public accommodations to end up segregating my moral concern. Justice is indivisible.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I appeal to everybody who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brother and sisterhood for lesbians and gay people.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union. A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people, Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, yes it may be &quot;back of the bus&quot;, but have you noticed that once people were not relegated to the back of the bus, that the back of the bus became a desirable place to sit on the bus.  I believe the same thing could be accomplished with civil unions. I believe that civil unions could be desirable by more than just the GLBT community.  It is estimated that half of the US population do not even attend church, so when they decided to get married, that 50% do not have a church to get married in or a minister to perform the marriage.  For 50% it is not a religious ceremony.  If civil unions were offered to both heterosexual and homosexual couples, many of the heterosexual couples, over time, would go that route since they are not looking for a religious ceremony anyway.  I became an ordained minister, not to teach religion, but to fill a void.  I can perform marriages, civil ceremonies, etc. for those seeking a legal officiant that is not tied to a church or religion.  I believe over time, marriage will be passé, civil unions will be the way people legally unify their relationship, with their civil union partners being referred to as their husband or wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, yes it may be &#8220;back of the bus&#8221;, but have you noticed that once people were not relegated to the back of the bus, that the back of the bus became a desirable place to sit on the bus.  I believe the same thing could be accomplished with civil unions. I believe that civil unions could be desirable by more than just the GLBT community.  It is estimated that half of the US population do not even attend church, so when they decided to get married, that 50% do not have a church to get married in or a minister to perform the marriage.  For 50% it is not a religious ceremony.  If civil unions were offered to both heterosexual and homosexual couples, many of the heterosexual couples, over time, would go that route since they are not looking for a religious ceremony anyway.  I became an ordained minister, not to teach religion, but to fill a void.  I can perform marriages, civil ceremonies, etc. for those seeking a legal officiant that is not tied to a church or religion.  I believe over time, marriage will be passé, civil unions will be the way people legally unify their relationship, with their civil union partners being referred to as their husband or wife.</p>
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