‘Ex-gayness’ worms way into ‘Little Apple’ debate

The city of Manhattan, Kansas, is on the verge of passing a basic non-discrimination ordinance that would protect LGBTs in the areas of housing and employment. So of course evangelicals in the area are working to make it seem like there’s a two-sided conversation to be had about the proposal, one that pits “pro-family” Christians’s self-described religious freedoms against the “special rights” of fairly obtaining and retaining a shelter and/or a job.

The stakes are obviously misstated. But if one digs a little deeper, one will see that the anti-LGBT side’s real goal in the town often referred to as “The Little Apple” goes even beyond the current conversation about this one proposed ordinance. Like, for example, if a web surfer checks out the “recommended website links” on the official site created the organized opposition, he or she will see the following eight sites listed:

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[Awaken Manhattan -- Rec Links]

Why is this particular list notable? Well, because of the eight, a whopping four of the listed groups (PFOX, Exodus, Love Won Out, Ex-gay testimonies at DS/LV) are solely focused on “changing” gays. The others are tangentially associated with the scientifically-discredited faith expression: But four of them are 100% dedicated to it! As in, that is what these groups do, day in and day out: Attempt to “convert” those who they see as immoral and broken.

And again: This is the official site of the the organized opposition fighting the proposed ordinance. So in Manhattan, KS, it’s not an overstatement to say that the current conversation is between those who simply want all tax-payers treated with basic decency vs. those who are attempting to de-gay the world one prayer session at a time. A strategy the “pro-values” camp can certainly use, if they want. But before city commissioners vote on Dec. 21, we’re going to make certain that they each know the stakes. Feel free to do the same:

snead@ci.manhattan.ks.us

sherow@ci.manhattan.ks.us

pepperd@ci.manhattan.ks.us

morris-hardeman@ci.manhattan.ks.us

strawn@ci.manhattan.ks.us

City_Commission@ci.manhattan.ks.us




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LIVE VIDEO: Senate DADT Debate

Defense Secretary Gate and Admiral Mike Mullen appear today before the Senate Armed Services Committee. I’ll bump this video player to the top of the blog a few times as the hearings go on today.

Joe. My. God.

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Live 9AM ET: PHB coverage of Senate debate on DADT

The Blend welcomes Sue Fulton and JD Smith as commentators who will liveblog the Senate debate involving DADT repeal. They will be here today and tomorrow.

The URL for the CoverItLive console is http://tinyurl.com/phbdadt.  

Sue Fulton is the Chair of Knights Out – 1980 graduate of West Point, former Army Captain and company commander.

JD Smith is the active duty co-director of OutServe. A graduate of a U.S. service academy. “JD Smith” is a pseudonym since he is currently an active-duty officer.

Note: Comments will be disabled in CoverItLive, but readers are welcome to use this blog entry to post your thoughts/reactions. If you want to see what people are tweeting about DADT, we’ve included that stream on the right.

Video feed is here: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SenateSession4651

It is also below the fold so you can watch and comment.


8:43

Pam Spaulding: This event is now live. Reader comments are disabled for the time being to allow producer commentary until break.

8:49

Jd Smith: Everyone is filtering into room now. Not many seats to watch.

8:54

Pam Spaulding: Thanks for doing this, JD!

8:54

Jd Smith: Sitting next to lt col fehrenbach, Jonathan Hopkins, Tony woods.

8:55

Jd Smith: Code pink has started to hold up signs.

8:55

Jd Smith: They say “repeal dadt”

8:56

Jd Smith: No problem Pam! Hope you feel better!

8:57

Jd Smith: Code pink has stood up with signs now. Secretary gates is here

9:00

Louise: Good morning, all, and thank you!

9:02

Jd Smith: McCain has just showed up

9:03

Louise: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/pro… A link to videofeed.

9:04

Jd Smith: Code pink has sat down in audience. Security is talking to them now

9:05

Pam Spaulding: Hi Louise. I will add that link to the post that is now up: http://pamshouseblend.com/diar…

9:06

Sue Fulton: Hey everybody. Tech-challenged, but I’m here now.

9:07

Sue Fulton: Quick bio on me: West Point ’80 grad. Company commander in Germany. Witch-hunted under the old gay ban, but managed not to get kicked out. Resigned on my own in 1986. Helped found Knights Out in 2009; currently I am the Chair.

9:08

Sue Fulton: In today’s hearing, all four of those testifying are in favor of repeal (tomorrow, not so much…)

9:09

Sue Fulton: We can expect Ham to give a strong defense of the Working Group report; to some extent he will also defer to the SecDef (“We did exactly what the SecDef charged us to do”).

9:10

Jd Smith: I obviously can’t see cspan, are the hearings now being broadcasted?

9:10

Sue Fulton: It will also be interesting to see if they ask Ham (he and civilian Jeh Johnson) co-chaired the Working Group) directly about his personal views, it will be interesting.

9:10

Louise: Yes they are, JD; I found a link to the video and we’ve got it posted on the Blend.

9:10

Sue Fulton: Yes, the broadcast started when Sen Levin started speaking.

9:12

Sue Fulton: Sen Levin is in process of the intro, praising the report and focusing on the 92% message, i.e., those servicemembers who know they’ve served with gay troops think there’s no problem.

Levin: “In other words, real experience is a powerful antidote to the stereotypes” that create so much discomfort among some troops.

9:13

Jd Smith: The 92% point in the survey that says 92% of straight service members that have known someone that is gay in their unit and found it to be ok Is a huge positive talking point in this debate.

9:13

Jd Smith: McCain looks angry.

9:14

Sue Fulton: Expect McCain and his cronies to focus on the 30% of troops – 40% of Marines, even higher among combat Marines – who said they thought repeal would negatively impact readiness.

9:16

Sue Fulton: Towards the end of the Working Group’s report, they made two points clearly focused at McCain: 1) the report is NOT biased by the views of SecDef and Obama; and 2) we didn’t ask whether SHOULD DADT be repealed (as McCain said they should) because we don’t make decisions by referendum, but we did find out that we CAN.

9:16

Sue Fulton: And now McCain is going RIGHT AFTER that second point

9:16

Sue Fulton: McCain says that Congress must answer the question SHOULD DADT be repealed.

9:16

Pam Spaulding: CSPAN Video: http://cs.pn/e8h84C The video is now embedded on the Blend as well. http://pamshouseblend.com/diar…

9:17

Sue Fulton: Now McCain is going to try to delay… “There’s more than 1500 pages and 72,000 comments” that they have to review

9:18

Jd Smith: Here we go, McCain going after the 28% only filling out survey. Palm center put out a great memo to respond to this argument. Can someone post that link?

9:18

Louise: Let me find it, JD; will post ASAP.

9:19

Sue Fulton: McCain is now bringing up “only 28%” responded. Palm Center deftly took this apart with a scholarly analysis. This number is at least at the average of email survey responses. Check it at http://www.palmcenter.org/pres…

9:20

Louise: http://www.palmcenter.org/publ…

9:21

Jd Smith: You should see the reaction of servicemembers right now in audience. McCain is insulting us all right now.

9:21

Sue Fulton: “This debate is focused on our military and its effectiveness”

McCain is ending on a note of, this is too controversial to address in our military at a time of two wars.

He ends “one of our highest responsibilities is to our men and women in the Armed Services” – though apparently not the gay ones.

9:22

Jd Smith: Everyone in audience laughed at McCain when he said to put politics aside

9:22

Sue Fulton: Secy Gates is on now.

9:23

Sue Fulton: Gates: “This … is not a poll. The Commander in Chief made his position clear.”

9:23

Code Pink demonstration moments ago

9:23

Sue Fulton: Go Code Pink!

9:23

Jd Smith: That’s Chris neff smiling from the palm center.

9:25

Sue Fulton: “Existing laws should be applied equally” – t will be interesting to see if the billeting and showers issue will be brought up. I kind of hope it will, because I believe Mullen and/or Ham can handle that neatly.

9:26

Jd Smith: Potentially dangerous!?!?

9:26

Sue Fulton: In Tuesday’s press conference, Ham addressed that billeting concerns/issues will continue to be handled at the low-level commander issue, not by policy.

9:28

Jd Smith: The British military integrated gays by a court decision. So it can change overnight.

9:28

Sue Fulton: Gates is making one of HIS biggest concerns now – we don’t want this to happen in the courts, we want it legislatively so we can do it our way.

9:28

Sue Fulton: Don’t agree with him that that’s necessary – JD, you’re right – but this could be persuasive for moderate Repubs.

9:29

Jd Smith: It’s really cold in this room (well I’m cold)

9:30

Jd Smith: Gates is making an important point now that he did this before with the CIA

9:31

Sue Fulton: Now he’s taking a little credit for tightening the procedures on enforcing DADT, that he’s “added a measure of commonsense and decency to a legally and morally fraught process” – that last phrase is pretty damn strong.

9:32

Sue Fulton: Mullen is going right after the % of combat troops who are resistant

9:32

Jd Smith: McCain is smiling at ADM Mullens comments. Specifically at the part where Mullen said it’s fact now.

9:32

Sue Fulton: This is a good strategy. He’s going to handle this.

9:33

Sue Fulton: Mullen “Knowing [you've served with someone gay ] means a lot.”

9:36

Sue Fulton: Mullen is not speaking in soundbites, but this is eloquent and moving. “It may be the combat arms community” that does the best job implementing this change “disciplined as they are.”

9:37

Sue Fulton: Mullen is talking about foreign military experience He acknowledges that their military is not as challenged as ours, but he dismisses that.”gay or straight, they have fought with our troops, and bled with them.”

9:38

Sue Fulton: Mullen is impressive. Gates comes off as a polished politician; Mullen comes off as a leader. McCain should be shaking in his loafers.

9:39

Sue Fulton: Mullen is clarifying, it’s all about effective leadership. This is perfect. Positions opponents as lacking confidence in leaders throughout the military.

he quotes a Marine: “If that’s what the president orders, I can tell you by God, we’re going to outpace the other services in getting it done.”

9:40

Sue Fulton: Now Mullen is echoing Gates’s point – don’t let this happen in the courts.

9:40

Jd Smith: I’m very impressed my ADM Mullen right now.

9:41

Sue Fulton: “War… does not make change harder – it facilitates it.”

9:41

Sue Fulton: “Knowing something to be true…about some of their colleages will not take away” from troops’ readiness and ability to fight. – Mullen

9:42

Sue Fulton: OOH – slap down to John McCain for calling him “political”

9:42

Sue Fulton: This is the right thing to do for our military, our nation, and our collective honor.

9:44

Sue Fulton: Ham: short and sweet. Holding his powder for the responses. My guess is he will be the target of most of the questioning.

9:45

Sue Fulton: Jeh Johnson – the chief lawyer for DoD. Four-star equivalent.

9:47

Sue Fulton: Ham is an Infantry guy, solid command experience. Had battalion command in Macedonia during the mess there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…

9:47

Sue Fulton: Johnson is outlining the risk of letting this happen in the courts.

9:48

Sue Fulton: Clear that they are all standing by the merits of the study – but they know their best strategic angle is, do this in Congress or the courts will do it, and we don’t want that.

9:48

Sue Fulton: Passing repeal legislatively allows repeal “…on our terms, on our timetable, on the advice of our senior military leadership.”

9:49

Sue Fulton: I disagree with this notion that this could be done with a stroke of the pen, that all these policies need to be handled – but I see the strategy.

9:50

Jd Smith: Wow.

9:50

Sue Fulton: Cool – so they’ve positioned Johnson as the guy to answer the legal questions only.

9:50

Louise: Now McCain is trying to block by suggesting MORE hearings? Good lord is he DESPERATE!!

9:50

Sue Fulton: McCain already starting his strategy, we need more time.

9:50

Sue Fulton: Louise – dead right.

9:51

Sue Fulton: He clearly thinks this is his best strategy – delay. Shocker.

9:51

Louise: My deep deep respect for those in the room, that they are not standing and screaming at McCain. I am sitting here in Maine and apoplectic!

9:51

Sue Fulton: JD, what is the reaction like in the room?

9:51

Jd Smith: Dang. Secretary gates shuts McCain down

9:52

Sue Fulton: Guaranteed McCain will bring this up over and over -

9:52

Jd Smith: The audience is all laughing about going from 5-6 minutes

9:52

Sue Fulton: Six-minute question rounds instead of five.

9:54

Jd Smith: The audience got very angry. And even The press seemed to negatively react to McCain suggesting more hearings.

9:56

Sue Fulton: Levin is trying to make the point that these guys considered the views of the service chiefs – trying to mitigate the problems we will hear tomorrow from them. Clumsily, I might add. I mean, I love Levin, but hey.

9:58

Pam Spaulding: McCain is an embarrassment.

10:01

Sue Fulton: McCain vs Mullen/Ham is the headline event. I think the officers will win in a TKO.

10:03

Sue Fulton: He asked Ham’s personal opinion about repeal, not about homosexuality. Wrong question, Senator.

10:03

Sue Fulton: McCain is coming across as bitchy.

10:03

Sue Fulton: But maybe that’s just me.

10:07

Sue Fulton: McCain is quoting 265,000 troops “will leave the military” if DADT repealed. Gates is pointing out that Aussie and Brit surveys had similar results, and it never happened. McCain will respond about how much braver and stronger (and more homophobic) our troops are… j.k.

10:09

Sue Fulton: OMIGOD, he’s pointing to the gay guy for WikiLeaks!!!! McCain is TRULY desperate.

10:09

Sue Fulton: Ran out of time, but he’s trying to pin WikiLeaks on the gays.

10:11

Jd Smith: The room really started to turn on McCain when he started to talk about wki leaks

10:11

Sue Fulton: Lieberman is up. He’s making the case, whether the law should be repealed is up to Congress. In making the case, as long as the law CAN be repealed, Congress should act in the interests of justice. Not a bad point, but as a Jon Stewart devotee, I can never listen to Lieberman without hearing Deputy Dawg…

10:11

Louise: I am just astounded at that by McCain, Sue. Almost as astounded as I am at finding myself saying “ATTA BOY!” at Joe Lieberman…

10:11

Sue Fulton: The wikileaks point was nasty politics.

10:13

10:13

Sue Fulton: JD, how many uniforms in the room outside those supporting the witnesses and members? do you sense pro or con?

10:14

Sue Fulton: Lieberman is trying to make the point that DADT is bad for the military, but focused on 14K kicked out. Mullen is talking about recruiting and retention – which is good.

10:16

Sue Fulton: The RAND study! Great.

Lieberman quoting from a gay servicemember, making the point that there won’t be huge numbers of people coming out, much less “flaunting” as some seem to be so concerned about.

10:17

Jd Smith: Must not be too important to McCain. He’s left the hearings

10:17

Jd Smith: Something must be more important

10:17

Sue Fulton: At McCain’s age, you can’t go an hour without a bathroom. No insult, I’m just sayin’.

10:18

Sue Fulton: Lieberman: “DADT is a stain on the honor of our military.”

10:18

Louise: True, plus one never knows who McCain is talking w/out there and getting his next batch of talking points from. Just sayin’.

10:19

Sue Fulton: Why, Elaine! so nice to see you! ;-)

10:19

Louise: lol- yup!

10:19

Sue Fulton: Inhofe is back to the retention and recruitment issues. But if this is their only point, they’re dead in the water.

10:20

Sue Fulton: Mullen is being very reasonable: there are lots of reasons why servicemembers stay in or get out. He’s going back to the 92% point, quite effectively.

10:20

Sue Fulton: Inhofe: why did only x% respond? Mullen: by every scholarly view, this was an extraordinary response level.

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Richard Burr commits political suicide during tonight’s debate with Elaine Marshall

Republican U.S. Senate incumbent Richard Burr and Democratic challenger Elaine Marshall faced off in a debate on PBS broadcast from UNC-TV studios in Research Triangle Park.

Democratic challenger Elaine Marshall accused Republican incumbent Richard Burr in their last television debate Thursday night of having views on homosexuality that are “wrongheaded and discriminatory.” But Burr said she wasn’t listening to him and that she was trying to inject race into a discussion of gay rights.

Marshall said that being gay or lesbian is a genetic matter and not a matter of choice. Burr said he didn’t believe the science was conclusive on the issue.

Well one thing is clear — Burr’s another one hung up on the soap dropping in the shower as you will see below. The DADT question starts at 36:43. Judy Woodruff starts off with a side question of whether being gay is a choice. Watch it –

Moderator: We’ve talked about the military. Right now there’s a battle underway in the courts of this country, the federal courts, and in Washington, over what to do about the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy against gays in the military. I’d like you to comment on that but I also have a very straightforward question, and that is: do you believe that being gay is–or lesbian–is it a matter of genetics, of biology or is it a matter of choice?

Marshall: Well Judy, it’s a… your last question is the most important. I don’t believe it is a matter of choice. I believe that it is a biological occurrence, specifically beyond that I don’t have the scientific knowledge to say, but I don’t really believe its choice. I do think that if there are people that want to stand up for me and stand up for every American and defend us around the world they should be able to do that. I believe the government policy on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell needs to be repealed. As to the judge and the courts – this is a law that Congress made, it is something that Congress needs to fix. The president has recommended it, the highest of brass has recommended it, and it is time that that takes place. It should have taken place but it hasn’t taken place, and now we’ve gotten judges from the Ninth Circuit who, a judge, who has jumped in on this, probably because Congress didn’t act, but it really needs to be decided by Congress and not the judiciary.

Moderator: And Mr. Burr, respond on the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and also the question on whether being gay and lesbian is a matter of genetics, biology or a matter of choice.

Burr: Well, Judy, let me just say I’m not sure that any of us know whether its genetic or by choice, and I’m not sure that’s even relevant. If somebody chooses that lifestyle and how it might then impact our policies. Don’t Ask Don’t Tell has worked. Now personally I don’t see a reason to reverse it. But that’s a personal opinion. I think the country should have a debate. And what we should do is we should wait until the Department of Defense has gotten back the survey of those individuals who serve. That survey’s back in December. This is not too far off. I agree with Secretary Marshall. This is not an issue for the courts to decide. This is a law of the country and only Congress can in fact address it. But I’m confident of this – that this is the wrong time to change this policy. We’ve got hundreds of thousands of troops deployed. We don’t yet know what we might have to do, from a standpoint of changing the accommodations for troops if the policy changed. Now I’m not scared to have the debate, I welcome the debate, but I’m also very confident that we should time this in a way that makes as little impact on those troops that are deployed as we possibly can.

Moderator: And so the research that has shown, that indicates that gay/lesbian is a matter of biology, you would say…

Burr: I would only say that I’m not sure there has been conclusive evidence of what the result is.

Moderator: A rebuttal.

Marshall: I would respond to that by saying there is ample evidence that it is biological and Senator Burr obviously believes its by choice. That is wrong headed and discriminatory. We shouldn’t be judging people by the color of their hair, the color of their eyes, the color of their skin, or other factors that they have no control over. That’s wrong in America, and what you’re talking about is governmental discrimination for something that’s outside of somebody’s control

Burr: Secretary Marahall, I’m not sure that I referred to anybody’s skin color, or to their hair color. This is a very specific group of individuals, and I made it very clear what my position was. But don’t bring race into this.

Marshall: It is because of who they are by factors that they have no control over. Gender is another one of those. This country has been replete with discrimination based upon things that folks have no control over, and its time in 2010, this century, that we end that.

Let’s just say it goes downhill from there — it’s hard to recover after Sen. Burr says  our ‘founders’ wrote the 14th amendment. That comes after the above statements about DADT. FAIL-O-RAMA.

Donate to Elaine Marshall’s campaign.
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In case you want some comic relief: Dan Choi to debate ‘Bishop’ Harry Jackson on live TV

Let’s see…we have in one corner a patriot fighting for equality, and in the other corner, a carpetbagging tool of color for Family Research Council head Tony Perkins.

Tonight at 10PM ET, you can surf over to the WTTG Fox 5 (DC) web site for the evening broadcast to see the face off.

Charletan Jackson will hit the mat hard.

Related:

* AC 360: Dan Choi takes on anti-gay automaton Elaine Donnelly
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Ariz. Pol Uses Brewer’s Debate in Ads

JAN BREWER ARIZ GOV X390Arizona gubernatorial hopeful Terry Goddard has launched a group of
advertisements capitalizing on Gov. Jan Brewer’s infamous performance at
a recent televised debate.
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All Eyes on DADT Repeal as Senate Prepares to Debate, Vote

Mcconnell

Politico's Josh Gerstein and Meredith Shiner discuss the hurdles "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" faces in the Senate:

Dadt "Republicans are threatening to filibuster the defense authorization bill that contains the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal. The bill could be waylaid by amendments, a conference committee, the congressional calendar or the midterm elections. Then there’s the veto threat from President Barack Obama, who supports repealing the ban on gays in the military but opposes weapons programs in some versions of the defense bill. 'People can definitely not bank on it yet. There really are significant risks that it might not pass,' said Jon Davidson of Lambda Legal, a gay legal advocacy group. Arizona Sen. John McCain, the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee, said Republicans will 'fight every way we can' to keep the 'don’t ask, don’t tell' provisions out of the authorization bill. And Reid didn’t exude confidence that he has the 60 votes needed to overcome a Republican filibuster. 'We’ll sure find out. I don’t know,' Reid said."

However, Politico's Morning Defense thinks the votes are there:

"DADT PREDICTION – The bill may come up on the Senate floor Monday, and there are 60 votes to break any filibuster on defense authorization, advocates of repeal tell Morning Defense."

Kerry Eleveld on Harry Reid and a possibly filibuster:

"Senate majority leader Harry Reid announced Tuesday that if Republicans filibuster the National Defense Authorization Act — which houses “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal — he would file for a cloture motion that requires 60 votes in order to move to a debate on the legislation. Although the bill primarily funds the Department of Defense, Reid said the bill was 'especially important' this year because it would address two issues that were 'long overdue' — repeal of 'don’t ask, don’t tell' and the DREAM Act, a bipartisan measure that would create a way for undocumented students who came to America as children to gain permanent residency through higher education or military service."

Americablog reports that Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the DADT and DREAM measures "needlessly controversial" in a press conference yesterday.

Watch MCConnell speak, AFTER THE JUMP



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WND’s Joe Farah on debate with GOProud’s Barron: I’m going to expose its ‘radical goals and agenda’

Earlier I posted the statement by GOProud’s Chairman of the Board, Chris Barron, about the September 17th debate in Miami against WorldNetDaily publisher Joseph Farah (7:30 PM ET). Now Farah’s spinning about the upcoming event, where they will tussle over the thesis “Is GOProud Conservative?”

You haven’t seen this at any conference before.

The founder and chairman of GOProud, the homosexual activist group courting the conservative movement, has agreed to debate its biggest detractor, WND founder Joseph Farah at the “Taking America Back National Conference” here Sept. 17.

WND disinvited Ann Coulter from a keynote speaking role when she agreed to address GOProud’s “Homocon” conference a week later, prompting outrage from the pundit and intense media coverage. Farah contended she was “affirming” the group with her high-profile speech and was permitting herself to be exploited by the group, permitting it to make deeper inroads into the conservative movement.

GOProud supports hate-crimes legislation, same-sex marriage, open homosexuality in the military and special tax breaks for people based on sexual proclivities, says Farah. He says there’s nothing “conservative” about GOProud’s agenda, which he calls “radical.”

…”This conference has always been about debate,” Farah said. “We invited, among others, the American Civil Liberties Union, La Raza, the NAACP and Freedomworks, to come debate the issues of the day with us. To GOProud’s credit, it was willing to stand toe to toe with us. I’m looking forward to the challenge. From my point of view, this represents a much-needed opportunity to expose GOProud’s actual goals and agenda.”

We learn a bit more about the format, as well as Farah’s correct assumption that he will be labeled a hypocrite for inviting Barron when he disinvited Coulter to what Joe calls “The Tea Party at Sea“:

To ensure the fairest debate circumstances possible, WND proposed a format affording both Farah and Barron five-minute opening statements, five-minute rebuttals, 20-minute affirmative and negative cross examinations apiece, five-minute closing statements and 30-minutes of audience questions.

The standard agreement included a platform for GOProud to market event tickets – in advance, at the door – to its supporters, keeping revenue derived from its sales. However, GOProud is receiving no payment from WND for the appearance.

Anticipating that critics will lob a “hypocrite” label his way, Farah draws a sharp distinction between his decision to disinvite conservative star commentator Ann Coulter from the Taking America Back Conference for addressing GOProud’s ‘Homocon’ event in New York and inviting Barron to the WND conference to debate GOProud’s positions.

Coulter’s paid speaking appearance at GOProud’s event serves to validate the group’s agenda, which as I’ve written goes far beyond just tearing down and remaking the Judeo-Christian institution of marriage, attacking free speech with hate-crimes laws or integrating open homosexuality in the military,” he said. “With so-called ‘conservative’ superstars embracing GOProud, a faceoff like this becomes an absolute necessity. If Ann Coulter were going to ‘Homocon’ to debate and expose GOProud, I would have congratulated her.”

If Blenders in the area are interested in attending, the tickets are for the debate only — not the wingnut cruise — this could be a seriously entertaining and historic live-Tweeting opportunity.
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GOProud’s Chris Barron to debate WND’s Joseph Farah at fundie ‘Taking America Back’ conference

Don’t I wish I had the time and money fly down to Miami to cover this! On Friday, September 17th at 7:30 PM, the barely-tethered-to-reality head of WorldNetDaily, Joseph Farah, is going to get his clock cleaned by GOProud‘s Chairman of the Board, Chris Barron.

“Since we announced that conservative author and columnist Ann Coulter would be headlining our Homocon 2010 in New York City, Farah has attacked GOProud, attacked Ann, and challenged our work almost every single day,” said Barron. “I look forward to standing on the stage with Mr. Farah to defend GOProud, to debunk the misinformation he has spread, and to make the case for GOProud’s conservative mission.”

Farah and Barron have agreed to debate the thesis,Is GOProud Conservative?”

“I welcome the opportunity to debate whether GOProud is really a conservative organization. Our work on behalf of conservative policies and conservative candidates speaks for itself,” continued Barron.

“The conservative movement is at a crossroads and this debate will display two very different visions for the road ahead,” concluded Barron.

The real thesis should is whether “conservative” womb controllers and bedroom peepers represent true conservative principles or are simply better labeled as Dominionists.
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Drag Jan Brewer Debate Train Wreck!

Joe. My. God.

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