What now with Prop 8?

Appeals court has stayed Walker’s ruling, but the case has been fasttracked as appeals over standing, merits work through the system

DAVID TAFFET  |  Staff Writer  taffet@dallasvoice.com

Chris Stoll
Chris Stoll

The three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in California that stayed the lower court’s decision this week ordered the Proposition 8 supporters to defend their standing in the case as it moves up on appeal.

Attorneys following the case closely all called the stay disappointing but were encouraged by the court questioning the standing of the defendants and the fast track timetable.

Chris Stoll is senior staff attorney for National Center for Lesbian Rights, a San Francisco-based organization that filed a brief in the Prop 8 case. He said that although it was disappointed that same-sex couples could not start getting married immediately, he was encouraged that the court fast-tracked the hearing to December and asked both sides to address standing.

Jennifer Pizer, National Marriage Project director for Lambda Legal, said she, too, was not surprised by the stay.

“It’s common for judges to maintain a status quo,” Pizer said.

She said that the stay does not indicate the merits of the case.

In fact, it is quite the opposite, she said, as indicated by the court directing the defendants to justify their standing in the case.

Ken Upton, senior staff attorney for Lambda Legal’s South Central Regional office in Dallas, said that the stay “probably isn’t going to matter much” in the long run because the court put the case “on a really short docket.”

Upton said he liked the schedule.

The court will hear the case after the election, but before a new governor takes office in California.

A different governor could decide to defend the case, Upton noted.

Federal District Judge Vaughn Walker ruled last week that there was no basis to continue a stay of his Aug. 4 ruling declaring Prop 8 unconstitutional. But he declined to lift his stay early, instead saying that it would expire Aug. 15 at 5 p.m., as he had originally ordered.
That gave the 9th Circuit court time to consider issuing a its own stay.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown had agreed to abide by the lower court’s ruling and said the case should not be appealed.

Since the state was the defendant in the case, the standing of the interveners, the Yes on 8 group that had campaigned for the amendment’s passage and that actually defended the case in court, is now in question.

Stoll explained that in a normal schedule for the 9th Circuit, final briefs might have been filed in December with oral arguments heard in February or later.

With extensions, the case might not have come before the appellate court until well into the spring.

While many cases are decided within weeks, the court is on no deadline. In a more complicated case like this, the decision could take months, Stoll said.

Two cases involving standing will be heard as well as the appeal of the actual ruling.

Officials with Imperial County in southeastern California have filed to defend Proposition 8 on behalf of the state.

And the Yes on 8 group, also known as the interveners, who defended the lower court case are appealing the judge’s decision. But their standing is also being questioned.

Stoll said that traditionally conservatives in the higher courts take a narrower view of standing than liberals.

Jenny Pizer
Jenny Pizer

“In general, they don’t want to be giving opinions that would be advisory and don’t have an impact on real people,” he said. “If the state is willing to abide by the trial court’s opinion, should the courts hear the case?”

When the court rules, presumably it will address standing first. If they find that the interveners and Imperial County officials do not have standing, Stoll said he didn’t expect any further discussion of the case by the court.

If they rule that either of the interveners have standing, then they will rule on the constitutional question.

To show that they have standing to appeal, the interveners “need to show they’ve been harmed to make a federal case out of it,” Pizer said.

“When a law is challenged as being unconstitutional, they can’t just stand up and say, ‘But we really, really want it.’ That works on Fox TV, but not in court.”

However, if the appeals court rules the interveners do not have standing, they can appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. If that court finds that they do have standing, the case would return to the Circuit Court for a ruling on the legal issues.

If the appellate court finds that the interveners do have standing, then that court will rule on the merits of the case, deciding whether Judge Walker’s interpretation of law was correct and if Proposition 8 is illegal under California’s constitution.

When the three-judge panel that will hear the case makes that decision, either side can petition for the case to be heard “en banc,” which means by the full court. But in the 9th Circuit court, it means a panel of 11 judges chosen randomly from among the 29 on the court.

The ruling by the 11-member panel could then be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Pizer sees the expedited hearing schedule and the court’s decision to issue the stay as a compromise made by the court.

“The stay keeps things simpler,” she said.

Pizer said that until the hearing, both sides would be writing briefs. The defense will be arguing that they have standing in the case and that in his decision Judge Walker misread the law.

Ted Olson and David Boies, the two high-profile attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the case, will argue that the interveners have no standing since they are not the ones issuing marriage licenses. Their briefs will argue that the defendants presented no credible witnesses or evidence and the only ones harmed by Proposition 8 are same-sex couples waiting to get married.

Pizer said that the LGBT community should use this time wisely until the case is heard.

“We need to be educating our neighbors about why Judge Walker is correct,” she said.

This article appeared in the Dallas Voice print edition August 20, 2010.

—  Michael Stephens

Is gay-friendly Bravo getting political … and dissing the gays by skipping marriage ep?

Every morning before work, I watch two consecutive episodes of The West Wing on Bravo. For the most part, the episodes are aired in chronological order, meaning in about two-and-a-half weeks you get an entire season condensed, all before coffee. Occasionally, only one episode will air for reasons I don’t get, or a rare episode will come out of order (one I recall: the post-9/11 “special” that aired two eps late), but they always air.

But not this week. And I wonder if political sensitivity might be the issue.

Bravo is an extremely gay-friendly network, airing shows like Kathy Griffin: My Life on the D-List (who talks constantly about her gays), and with gay contestants and judges on virtually every reality show. But this week, they skipped one episode. And there is no sign they have plans to air the missing episode in the near future. And that episode is about gay marriage.

The graphic below from IMDB.com shows the ep Bravo skipped. I started to wonder whether the reason for the break in protocol has something to do with avoiding some hot-button topics in light of the recent Prop 8 news. And if so, why Bravo, of all networks, would chose this episode. After all, The West Wing is a political show about many real-world issues. Why pick this one now, with their history? Maybe we oughta ask Bravo to explain.

—  Arnold Wayne Jones

BREAKING: Appeals court grants stay of Prop 8 ruling; gay marriages won’t resume Wednesday

A federal appeals court reportedly has granted a stay of Judge Vaughn Walker’s ruling declaring Proposition 8 unconstitutional. This means same-sex marriages will not resume in California on Wednesday, the deadline for Walker’s previous stay to expire. From the National Center for Lesbian Rights at about 6 p.m. Dallas time on Twitter: “BREAKING: 9th Cir grants stay but puts case on expedited schedule & orders parties to address whether #Prop8 proponents have standing.”

This is a developing story. Stay tuned to Instant Tea for updates.

UPDATE: Some early analysis of the appeals court’s decision courtesy of the Courage Campaign:

Three things:

First, and drastically most importantly, the Court granted the stay. Consequently the thousands of couples who were waiting for the day of equality will have to wait at least a few more months until December.

Second, the Court wants this case to be resolved quickly. Appellants’ opening brief is due in just a month and the hearing will happen on December 6th. This is lightning quick for a Federal Court of Appeals, and it’s a very good sign. The Court understands that this case is important, and it doesn’t want it to linger.

Third, the Court specifically orders the Prop 8 proponents to show why this case should not be dismissed for lack of standing. Here’s a discussion of the standing issue. This is very good news for us. It shows that the Court has serious doubts about whether the Appellants have standing. Even better, the Court is expressing an opinion that its inclination is that the case should be dismissed. That being said, the panel that issued this Order (the motions panel) is not the same panel that will hear that case on the merits. The merits panel will be selected shortly before December 6th and we don’t know the three judges who will be on the merits panel. But this is a very good sign that the appeal could be dismissed on the ground of standing alone.

UPDATE NO. 2: Here’s a statement from the American Foundation for Equal Rights, which is representing the same-sex couples challenging Prop 8:

Today the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit set a highly expedited schedule for briefing and argument of proponents’ appeal from the district court’s August 4, 2010 decision striking down California’s Proposition 8 as an unconstitutional violation of the rights of gay and lesbian citizens to due process and equal protection of the law under the Fourteenth Amendment, and it granted proponents’ request to stay the judgment of the district court’s order while the appeal is decided. This means that although Californians who were denied equality by Proposition 8 cannot marry immediately, the Ninth Circuit, like the district court, will move swiftly to address and decide the merits of Plaintiffs’ claims on their merits. Today’s order can be found here:  http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/legal-filings/9th-circuit-ruling-on-motion-for-stay-pending-appeal/

“We are very gratified that the Ninth Circuit has recognized the importance and pressing nature of this case and the need to resolve it as quickly as possible by issuing this extremely expedited briefing schedule. As Chief Judge Walker found, Proposition 8 harms gay and lesbian citizens each day it remains on the books.   We look forward to moving to the next stage of this case,” said Attorney Theodore B. Olson.

“Today’s order from the Ninth Circuit for an expedited hearing schedule ensures that we will triumph over Prop. 8 as quickly as possible. This case is about fundamental constitutional rights and we at the American Foundation for Equal Rights, our Plaintiffs and our attorneys are ready to take this case all the way through the appeals court and to the United States Supreme Court,” said Chad Griffin, Board President, American Foundation for Equal Rights.

UPDATE NO. 3: We’ve posted a full story here.

—  John Wright

Historic Prop 8 ruling prompts ‘rare’ discussion about gay rights at Dallas Log Cabin meeting

Believe it or not, we really don’t go out of our way to pick on the Dallas chapter of Log Cabin Republicans or its president, Rob Schlein. But sometimes they make it too easy, and after all, we kid because we love, right?

So we couldn’t resist sharing this e-mail we received over the weekend inviting us to Log Cabin’s August meeting, which will feature a discussion about the recent Prop 8 decision.

As you can see, the e-mail states that, “Log Cabin rarely delves in gay rights issues at chapter meetings …”

Hey, at least they admit it!

—  John Wright

Walker lifts stay on Prop 8

Word on the blogs is that Judge Vaughn Walker has lifted the stay on his ruling overturning Proposition 8.

Haven’t had that officially confirmed yet, but if it’s true, same-sex marriages can begin immediately in California.

The Yes on 8 people have, of course, said they will appeal the decision.

—  admin

Decision from Walker on stay of Prop 8 ruling expected Thursday morning

Rex Wockner reports that Judge Vaughn Walker will be issuing his ruling on whether to extend the stay on his ruling that invalidated California’s Proposition 8 on Thursday between 9 a.m. and noon, PST.
If the judge lifts the stay, same-sex couples could begin marrying again immediately in The Golden State.
Watch Instant Tea for updates; we will post the ruling as soon as we get it.

—  admin

McKinney churches weigh in on Prop 8 ruling with some priceless quotes

On Friday, the McKinney Courier-Gazette asked some of the area pastors their thoughts on the Prop 8 ruling. Michael Boren talked with a few who were actually on both sides of the ruling. He splices details about the ruling with Cathedral of Hope’s Rev. Dr. Jo Hudson’s response and input from McKinney clergy. Boren didn’t name us out loud as one of his sources when he wrote “When the judge’s ruling was announced, nearly 100 people celebrated outside in the Oak Lawn neighborhood of Dallas, a local paper for the gay community reported,” but I can’t help but give him props for giving us some quotable gold.

This first one is a classic.

The Bible is pretty clear on God making marriage between a man and a woman, said the Rev. Mike Banas from Community Life Church. “He made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve,” Banas said.

I forget that the choice to be gay is still one way of looking at it.

Nobody that Jerry Clayton knows, however, would vote in favor of a law trying to legalize gay marriage in Texas, he said.

“I don’t think it should be allowed anywhere,” said Clayton, a lay minister at College Street Church of Christ. “That’s a choice that they make to be that way, and they need to live with their choice and not expect everybody else to think it’s the right thing to do.”

It’s nice to see at least one McKinney church welcomes all people to their congregation.

Though marriage exists between a man and a woman in Texas now, the world changes, said the Rev. Herbert McCoy of White Rose Missionary Baptist Church.

“There’ll be enough gays and lesbians speaking out that they will get their wish,” he said.

McCoy teaches the doctrine that every human has fallen short of what God intended him or her to be, he said. His church welcomed all people, and he wasn’t going to run anybody off for being gay, he said. He expected the Proposition 8 case would make it to the Supreme Court.

“My prayer is that people will just settle down and look at what they’re doing,” he said. “If they look far enough in their life, they’ll find out that there’s something other people don’t want them doing too.”

—  Rich Lopez

Bill White officially isn’t talking about Prop 8 ruling

On Thursday I sent an e-mail to Katy Bacon, a spokeswoman for Democratic gubernatorial nominee Bill White, inquiring whether the former Houston mayor had any comment on Wednesday’s Prop 8 ruling. Bacon responded as follows: “No he does not.”

The Dallas Morning News asked White the same thing on Friday in Fort Worth, and he gave pretty much the same answer:

On another topic, White, the former mayor of Houston, declined to offer an opinion on a federal judge’s decision this week to strike down California’s ban on same-sex marriage.

White said he’s been too busy running for governor of Texas to study the legal briefs in the California case.

Asked if he thought a Texas ban on gay marriage, approved by voters in 2005, should be reversed, White would only say: “The Texas Constitution has been amended to prevent it, and that’s a fact.”

On Thursday we wrote about how anti-gay Republicans in Texas have been deafeningly silent about the ruling. The topic later was the subject of a segment on “The Rachel Maddow Show,” who noted that Republicans nationwide are largely avoiding an issue that was their rallying cry  just five short years ago.

The fact of the matter is, though, that in places like Texas, most Democrats don’t want to talk about it either.

—  John Wright

Politico polling readers on the Prop 8 ruling, and the haters are ahead by 16 percentage points

Back in 2008, the state of California let haters put our civil rights to a popular vote. We lost, and the California Constitution was amended to snatch away the rights of same-sex couples to wed.

On Wednesday, federal District Judge Vaughn Walker issued his ruling in a case challenging that amendment — Proposition 8 — and this time , we won. Judge Walker said the majority doesn’t get to take away our rights just because they don’t like us.

Now the public is voting again, this time on Politico.com, in a poll: “What’s your reaction to the decision that reversed California’s ban on gay marriage?” And guess what — we’re losing. The votes so far are “Like. Hurray for equal rights,” 40 percent; “Dislike. How dare the courts reverse the will of the voters?” 56 percent; and “I’m not sure,” 2 percent.

If you want to have your say, go to Politico.com, scroll down to the “Politico” on the lower right side of the page, and vote.

UPDATE: The final result was 57 percent to 41 percent.

—  admin

Prop 8 supporters file their appeal

As expected, Prop 8 supporters filed their appeal Thursday of Judge Vaughn Walker’s ruling declaring the law unconstitutional. The case will now proceed to a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which has no deadline for hearing the case.  From NPR:

“This ruling, if allowed to stand, threatens not only Prop 8 in California but the laws in 45 other states that define marriage as one man and one woman,” said Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, which helped fund the 2008 campaign that led to the ban’s passage.

—  John Wright